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The Nights Watch. GAME OF THRONES. SEASON 8 EPISODE 5. May 13 UK. SPOILERS AFTER 2am.

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OneInAMillionYou · 12/05/2019 15:55

So, now we battle for King's Landing and the Throne.

The penultimate episode of this most epic of tales. Can Cersei survive? Will Euron catch on and wonder how Tyrion could have known of the pregnancy? Will Arya and the Hound beat Jaime in the race south?

As ever, no leaks or spoilers please until we watch the episode live together. Our Watch begins....

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NotMyPuppy · 13/05/2019 21:46

How did so many unsullied and dorthraki survive winterfell there seems like loads this episode

I thought this. It all seemed really one sided given that the northern armies were decimated and the Dothraki seemingly wiped out.

For the final battle, cersei put up no fight at all which surprises and disappoints me.

I liked Jaime and Cersei’s ending - seemed fitting that even though their characters went in different arcs they ultimately loved each other. I thought it was beautifully acted and very tender. I do wish that Jaime had told Cersei that Tyrion tried to help save her though.

Out of interest is anyone left in casterley rock these days?

NotMyPuppy · 13/05/2019 21:48

What Dany did was an atrocious war crime but I suspect it needed to be something awful for someone to try to take her out next episode. Or maybe Arya will kill her to protect Sansa.

Also since when has Varys developed a conscience and cared about the moral compass of the person on the iron throne?

WaitingInTheBushesOfLove · 13/05/2019 21:48

I think i am very naive.. i really thought that after the bells started ringing Danny would spare them...I also thought Jamie left Brienne in order to kill Cersei and put an end to all of this... Never have i been so wrong.. Still i felt that Jamie and Cersei dying in each others arms was right. Well, at least i am assuming they are dead!

There are two main ways i see this can go now:

  1. Dany on the throne (or whatever is left of it) ruling with fear and everyone hating her. She also kills Jon since in her eyes he betrayed her and he is also competition. She might also possibly be pregnant?
  2. Jon kills Dany since she isn't the queen he thought she was gonna be and then: a) he becomes king since everyone wants him to b) he goes beyond the wall to live with the wildings c) he kills himself since in the end of the day he is very loyal and swore loyalty to dany and can't live with himself for breaking his oath and killing the woman he loves (most likely scenario i think)

Now if both jon and Danny are out of the picture i can't see who is gonna be the new king/queen. Sansa? Tyrion? Can't see Arya becoming queen or Gentry. Although, gentry is of royal descent.

Of all of them Jon has the best potential of being a good king even though I can't see how they are gonna play it out to suit his character. Unless, he isn't the one to kill danny so he won't feel the guilt for betraying her or perhaps he feels no loyalty anymore.

As for the dragon if Danny dies not sure what it will become of him!

RussianSpamBot · 13/05/2019 21:49

There's nothing Cersei actually can do to fight, short of going out swinging herself.

PreseaCombatir · 13/05/2019 21:54

Didn’t Cersei nearly poison herself and Tommen when kings landing was sacked the first time? Until Tywin turned up and saved the day?
So I don’t think her sitting there doing nothing, and then giving up at the end is that out of character really...

NotMyPuppy · 13/05/2019 21:56

I didn’t mean so much cersei personally fighting but more her troops. It wasn’t even really a battle.

WaitingInTheBushesOfLove · 13/05/2019 21:57

Also since when has Varys developed a conscience and cared about the moral compass of the person on the iron throne?

I think Varys never cared who was king/queen as long as the people were looked after. He does mention that whatever he does is for the good of the realm and i think that has been mentioned a few seasons back as well.

RussianSpamBot · 13/05/2019 22:01

Oh I know you didnt notmypuppy I just mean that's about all she could've done differently.

BlondeBumshelll · 13/05/2019 22:02

The way this season has been going, I wasn't shocked at how ridiculous Dany burning innocent people was. Yes, her becoming the mad Queen would have been completely believe-able had it not been shoehorned in this season. It's as if they had planned another season before this one and then someone pulled the plug so they fired out this season without filling in the gaps.

I think Dany will threaten to take the north, removing Sansa by killing her or will threaten Arya and this is when Jon realises it's her or them and kills Dany.

RussianSpamBot · 13/05/2019 22:05

I think the seeds were there before this season. What she did to the Tarleys for example. Could've kept them prisoner, or at least just beheaded them. Getting your dragon to eat people who piss you off is a tad unhinged. She really has burned a lot of stuff.

JasperRising · 13/05/2019 22:06

Watching again and I think the episode does do a good job of bringing home the reality that in war there is no fairytale good and bad. The side that has the moral right or even just the side who wins can carry out acts as unspeakable as the losers/the wrong side. And a few moral men - Jon, Davos, Tyrion - can't hold back the mob army once it is out of hand. It is very real in that sense compared with idealised fantasy battles.

MaddieElla · 13/05/2019 22:07

I wanted Dany to ride up the window Cersei was standing in, hover with the dragon then burn the shit out of her. Grin

SweetSummerchild · 13/05/2019 22:08

To be fair, though, Dany going Mad Queen has been hinted at in both books and show from the very beginning. There are numerous examples throughout the season and last season threw up many red flags.

I remember referring to her as Mad Danelle (nerdy book reference) in the last season.

BlackCatSleeping · 13/05/2019 22:09

Also since when has Varys developed a conscience and cared about the moral compass of the person on the iron throne?

I think that has been Varys' storyline since Day 1. He has always been trying to find the perfect ruler who will bring peace to the 7 kingdoms.

With regard to Arya. I feel that in Westeros, the Hound was the only one who really got Arya. For the others, they knew her as this feisty little girl who returned as a strong woman, but I don't think anyone really understands her abilities. She seems kind of an enigma to them and I don't think Arya has told anyone of her training as a Faceless Man, has she?

PissedOffProf · 13/05/2019 22:10

Daenerys is going to realise what a nutjob she is and get herself voluntarily committed to that asylum for the dead khals' wives back over the Dothraki sea.

Tyrion will go back to Casterly Rock and drink himself to death, depressed at his own shortsightedness.

Jon is going to get saddled with the responsibility of sitting on the blasted throne and trying to get the nation through huge trauma. He will hate the job. Serves him right though for knowing nothing. Sam will help through.

Arya will wonder the world with the white horse, eventually becoming a sensei living on some snowy mountain, reluctantly dispensing wisdom to those who manage to find her.

Sansa will live happily ever after in Winterfell, maybe even marry some nice sensible local boy and have babies.

Bran will just sit under the tree until he becomes the tree. He will love it.

itswinetime · 13/05/2019 22:10

I know a lot of the storylines feel rushed or like they aren't heading where people wanted but there has been some really great acting this season! I think most of the actors have really given it there all!! Not the kid that plays bran of course Wink but most of the others have had really strong moments.

Jon's confusion and upset during the battle
Arya trying to escape the chaos
Jamie and Tyrion's scenes
Even though she hasn't had a lot to do Cersei's reunion with Jamie it was well done.

Same for he the effects and lots of the scenes could be in a movie easily! Soundtrack too

PurpleCrowbar · 13/05/2019 22:10

Well, I quite liked it.

Clever nods to the Hunchback of Notre Dame, Pompeii, Threads, Revelations...

Snapespeare · 13/05/2019 22:11

I feel SO ROBBED that Yara did not kill Euron Greyjoy.
Don't believe Cersei and Jamie are dead. Nope.

BurntSausage · 13/05/2019 22:14

Watched it a few times now and it really does get better every time. I’m clearly not up to the job of watching at 2am as I didn’t take much in. As someone said upthread, Maisie Williams in the last twenty mins or so was fantastic. The scale of the whole thing is just incredible for a TV show.

And I still love —Kenny Everett— Euron 😁

Fatted · 13/05/2019 22:17

After watching tonight, DH has a theory that everyone will think the Lannasters are dead, Jon, Dany etc will all kill each other and ta-da Jaime and Cerci will pop up from under the rubble to rule together!

I'm gutted he didn't kill her.

I'm gutted all my theories haven't come to be. But I still enjoyed it. I'm just really disappointed they've had the chance for a good, stong female ruler but they're all just portrayed in the same way in the end.

BlackCatSleeping · 13/05/2019 22:17

Once the entire season has ended, I'm going to go back and watch the entire season from the beginning. I'm sure there are loads of little details that I've missed that will make more sense once I know the entire story.

WaitingInTheBushesOfLove · 13/05/2019 22:19

I feel SO ROBBED that Yara did not kill Euron Greyjoy.

You are right! I hadn't thought of that! When Theon freed yara a few episodes back i thought, 'Yep, Yara is gonna be coming back to chop Euron to pieces'.

I guess they are trying to short out loose ends and finish storylines the quickest way possible. So Euron is killed by Jamie, that's shorted nothing more needs to be done or said.

BlondeBumshelll · 13/05/2019 22:20

Cersei's death just wasn't horrible enough for me Blush she's been such a big shit throughout the series that it just felt like not a just punishment. She got a quick death with her one true love beside her.

Metalhead · 13/05/2019 22:22

Everything this season is just far too rushed, hardly any character developments, and hence things like Daenaerys going from freeing slaves to burning thousands of innocents seems wrong. With a bit more effort this could have been done far more convincingly.

I couldn’t give two hoots about Bran and the whole raven thing however, and sincerely hope he doesn’t crop again in the last episode! Wink

AliceRR · 13/05/2019 22:22

I haven’t read all the way through yet and I’m probably a bit late but I’m disappointed with this episode

I don’t even know why I disliked it so much but I did

On the plus side it’s nearly 10:30 so I’m just in time for Thronecast