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GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8. Possible spoilers

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OneInAMillionYou · 07/04/2019 00:38

Given we are only a week away from the final season, I thought we should have a shiny new thread to discuss the episodes as they are broadcast.

Anyone else going to be starting their watch at 2 am on Monday 15th?

I've watched the trailers and teasers dozens of times, and I am READY!

I have a theory that the Battle for Winterfell in Ep 3 will be lost, and they will have to move south, re assemble at Dragonstone or Kings Landing. After all, here are three episodes to fill after that!

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RedForShort · 17/04/2019 18:41

The Dragon flying scence was very Harry Potter on the mysterious beast (whatever it was) flying over a lake too. In fact it was more Harry Potter than Harry Potter.

Amongstthetallgrass · 17/04/2019 18:42

Yep Red

ppppppickupapenguin · 17/04/2019 20:55

Really interesting theory here

BelfastBloke · 18/04/2019 00:24

was Ned (Lord) Umber the kid climbing the tree in the opening scene, or not?

BlackCatSleeping · 18/04/2019 02:52

No, the boy in the opening credits isn't Lord Umber. It's just a local lad.

I think the night king will travel through Westeros until he reaches King's Landing where they set off the rest of the wildfire and boom he and all the wights throughout the land fall down dead. Westeros is devastated but will rebuild.

I read on a gossip site that the actors who play Jon Snow and Daenerys had a bit of a thing which is why things are so awkward between them onscreen now. Apparently, he cheated on Rose Leslie with her. Might be bollocks though.

Lweji · 18/04/2019 09:03

Yes, I think Cersei is a much more likely White Queen, particularly as she's with child (according to her) and born of incest too.

SweetSummerchild · 18/04/2019 09:11

I don't agree with mad Daenerys for roasting the Tarlys. It reminds me of when Ned Stark cut the man's head at the start of the show. Sometimes you need to do unpleasant things, and she did give them a way out.

Dany roasted the Tarlys for one very simple reason - the plot needed it to happen in order to set the seeds for Sam to be opposed to Dany.

My argument is:

The books and earlier seasons on which they were based were written ‘forwards’. In other words a character would do something which would lead to this consequence and they would react in this way. This would lead to another consequence and so on. The failure of Robb’s campaignn can be put down to a series of tiny missteps by multiple characters which amplified as time went on. It is part of GRRM’s ‘gardener’ writing style which has probably led him into the dead end he is in now. Either way, characters do believable and justifiable things according to their situation which lead to consequences.

Since the end of season 4 and the breakdown of working relationship between D&D and GRRM the writers have been writing the series backwards. They are working to a series of bullet points of ‘things that must happen’. They then write the series, episodes, events and dialogue based on ticking off the ‘events’ to lead to the end point.

The consequences of this is that characters act in ways that serve the plot regardless of their character regardless of how inconsistent this makes them appear. Arya’s character particularly suffered last season as they tried to shoehorn her into many different plots and their outcomes.

Dany roasting the Tarlys serves one particular plot; Sam is the Kingmaker for Jon.

Why would Sam be against Dany despite the fact that his best mate is in love with her and she has a huge army and dragons? Because she killed his family and shows no remorse.

Forget the fact that Sam hates his father, forget the fact that Jon has executed traitors without a shred of argument from Sam, forget the fact that Tarlys were traditionally Targaryan loyalists.

This plot can be traced back to season 6 when they first introduced the Tarlys and Hornhill to the series. Why bother introducing them in the first place? Sam has no desire to be lord of Hornhill, and having Heartsbane is of no consequence now that Gendry can ‘forge’ dragonglass into almost any weapon. Simply, they were introduced in order for Dany to execute them in order to piss Sam off.

The same plot development applied to the ‘mission beyond the wall’ last season. It had to happen to the Wall could fall and a dragon could be lost. However, the rationale behind the mission was ridiculous, stupid and poorly executed and, miraculously, ended up with only red-shirts and Benjen Ex Machina dying.

In other words, characters doing something is no reflection on their character. They are doing it in order to serve a purpose for some future plot point. Trying to analyse character motivations and actions at this point is an exercise in futility. Just enjoy the visuals.

I’m just smug that (for the first time) I made a prediction about the series that ended up being right.

agirlhasnonameX · 18/04/2019 10:49

Better than the real song Grin

BlackCatSleeping · 18/04/2019 11:37

The problem they have is the books are so bloody complicated, they could never make a TV show with even half that detail in it. I agree that it's interesting to see how they put small, yet important details in the show as it's important later. They also have the problem that he hasn't actually finished writing the books, so the ending to the TV show could be completely different from what happens in the books. I recently re-watched the Tv show from start to finish and I enjoyed it a lot more this time because I could see the relevance of all the little details and how it all slowly came together. I do agree that some things are clumsily done, like Sam just happening to find the reference in the diary.

I'm actually not convinced by the whole Tyrion is actually a Targ theory. It's possible, because there have been hints, but will they have time for that story arc? With Jon it made sense because it explains everything he has been building up to, but for Tyrion? I don't get it. Maybe though.

They are definitely going to visit Yara though 😂

BlackCatSleeping · 18/04/2019 11:41

Also, there is another theory that Lyanna Stark actually had twins and that Daenerys is actually Jon's twin sister. Yeah, I'm not sure about that one either.

blancheduboiss · 18/04/2019 13:11
This is an interesting theory I could see as plausible, although I wouldn’t be overly keen on this being the ending. I do think Bran will play a major part somehow. Personally, I believe GRRM wouldn’t have bothered to introduce this three eyed raven storyline if it wasn’t significant to the ending
BlackCatSleeping · 18/04/2019 13:43

I think too many time travelling story lines are too complicated but I do love the theory that Bran was the one who drove the mad king mad with the obsession with blowing up King's Landing and the "Burn them all".

I'm just so excited about this last season though. I love GoT!

SweetSummerchild · 18/04/2019 17:17

Personally, I believe GRRM wouldn’t have bothered to introduce this three eyed raven storyline if it wasn’t significant to the ending

The whole greenseer/weirwood net/hive mind ideas in ASOIAF are massively important in the story. There are loads of clues throughout the story - the significance of the ravens, the weirwoods, the stories of greenseers and children of the forest are very significant. GRRM’s other books in the ‘universe’ - including Dunk and Egg novellas - discuss Branden Rivers (Bloodraven) and Targs having prophetic dreams.

I don’t think Bran in the books is ever going to leave the cave, but I think he will influence people and events in history from it. Re-reading the books after watching the ‘Hodor’ episode was an eye-opener when it came to interpreting scenes that take place within the Godswoods or near weirwoods. GRRM has written several other stories about ‘collective consciousness’ and time travel as well, so there is precedence in his writing.

blancheduboiss I saw that video from Red Team Review the other day and, whilst I think it’s an interesting idea, I dont’ think it would work. If Bran died falling off the tower and then couldn’t go back in time and build the wall etc then surely the entire history of the north would have been altered? It would then mean that Bran could never have been born to fall off a tower as Winterfell would not have been built as it was in the series. If Bran does go back in time and influence the past (as with Hodor) then he will just probably ensure that events that have already happened actually do (if that makes sense). He may try to ‘make things better’ , but ultimately end up with everything happening as it already has.

agirlhasnonameX · 18/04/2019 17:47

If Bran died falling off the tower and then couldn’t go back in time and build the wall etc then surely the entire history of the north would have been altered? It would then mean that Bran could never have been born to fall off a tower as Winterfell would not have been built as it was in the series.
Haha that's so true!!!

agirlhasnonameX · 18/04/2019 17:59

I don't think Bran can actually change anything in the past. The past has already happened so if he has changed it he's already done that which has led to or affected how things are presently. I.e Hodor didn't just start 'Hodor-ing' after Bran time traveled present day, he was always going to time travel so Hodor was always going to end up that way. Although time travel really hurts my head.

TanselleTooTall · 19/04/2019 00:02

Time travel plots are just so sloppy!! I'm not a fan really.

SweetSummerchild · 19/04/2019 09:53

TanselleTooTall Great username!

Abra1de · 19/04/2019 10:21

Earlier seasons would have spent time on developing this, and it is set up perfectly in the books.

But the last season did show Sansa very involved in food store supplies, and working out how she could sustain the population of Winterfell at a time of dwindling harvests.

nipersvest · 19/04/2019 11:59

The actor who plays Bran made some interesting comments on Jimmy Kimmel this week, he said 'the 3 eyed raven is on the side of the living' and also 'who says the Night King is dead'

nipersvest · 19/04/2019 12:04

Am also wondering about the idea they can beat the Night King with the remaining dragons. Back in the hold the door episode, when the Night King entered the cave, he walked straight through the fire that had been lit to protect Bran and the others.

agirlhasnonameX · 19/04/2019 12:26

he walked straight through the fire that had been lit to protect Bran and the others.
Is it not more that the white walkers are so cold that the fire moves aside when they go near it? It doesn't just happen with the Night King.
Although I hope the Night King can't be killed by dragon fire, Valyrian steel or dragon glass just to make it more interesting.

Lweji · 19/04/2019 14:15

If the Night King was created by inserting dragon glass into his chest, shouldn't it be removed for him to return to being human?

TanselleTooTall · 19/04/2019 15:49

SweetSummerchild Blush. I have a soft soft for ol' Dunk the lunk, thick as a trunk.

TanselleTooTall · 19/04/2019 15:49

*Soft spot..obviously.

SweetSummerchild · 19/04/2019 15:59

TanselleTooTall me too. I once taught a very tall boy called Duncan and I did end up calling him Dunk the Lunk on a couple of occasions. Fortunately, he was quite understanding after I explained where the name came from!

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