GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8. Possible spoilers

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Given we are only a week away from the final season, I thought we should have a shiny new thread to discuss the episodes as they are broadcast.

Anyone else going to be starting their watch at 2 am on Monday 15th?

I've watched the trailers and teasers dozens of times, and I am READY!

I have a theory that the Battle for Winterfell in Ep 3 will be lost, and they will have to move south, re assemble at Dragonstone or Kings Landing. After all, here are three episodes to fill after that!

I have a sinking feeling about the crypt too. Too many mentions of it, the trailer with Arya running scared through it...

This is a series that has contained a not inconsiderable number of rapes, attempted rapes, coerced sex, and sex as a (not necessarily fully voluntary) transaction. And yet people are complaining about two adults having mutually consensual sex? Oh dear.

Incidentally, don't the crypts have a tunnel in from the outside, as well as the tombs of the dead. More than one way for the people sent for safety to be amongst the first to fall.

Apparently Ghost has been spotted in the background at Winterfell. The Frey thing is weird. Didn’t Arya leave one alive to tell everyone what happened?

It was obvious ayra and gendry were going to get it on from last weeks episode! She has obviously fancied him for ages!
I wondering if Tyrion is also a Targaryen? I'm sure there has been something mentioned about his father possibly not been Tywin and he did free the dragons on a previous season?
7 days is tooooo long to wait for the next one.
I think hope that Jamie will kill Cersei when it comes down to it.
No idea what Ayra is planning with that weapon?
Hoping to god that Bronn won't kill Jamie or Tyrion.

Thanks BlackCat, I can breathe a sigh of relief now!

I'm pretty sure Berric will die, but not sure about Jon.

Little Sam is actually Mance's son, so technically a sort of king even though the free folk don't see it like that, but he has king's blood according to Melisandre. I can't help but wonder if that is significant somehow. Too significant for him to die yet. It seems to be that there are actually a lot of kings and princes/princes still around, so that is why I am interested in the idea of Daenerys dying and Jon forming a coalition to rule. I'm not sure if it would work, but I still think it's interesting. But I'm not convinced that little Sam will die in the crypt. Otherwise that whole baby switching storyline seems a little pointless.

DobbysLeftSock Jamie refers to the wiping out of the Frays in King’s Landing. There’s no mention of Arya having done it though.

I’m also curious about the fate Edmure Tully and his wife and child. Have they been mentioned since??

BlackCat I’m not sure that’s true in the tv series.

They haven’t had the baby switching story on the tv series though have they?

Blackcat - Apparently Ghost has been spotted in the background at Winterfell.

Ghost was standing next to Edd, Sam and Jon when they were chatting on the wall.

Anyone else notice Varys was curiously absent in Ep 2?

My list of people who I think will die next Ep
Theon
Brienne
Pod
Edd
Gilly and little Sam
Berric
Missandei
Grey Worm
Gendry
Jorah & Lyanna Mormont
Tormund

I'm really worried about Gilly. She's going to be in the crypt and the crypt is full of the dead.

You should be.

I only clicked on last night that the reason the night king is kicking off to start with, was because he was denied the sacrifice he was promised. He had been promised all Crasters Male descendants that were born. Gilly and Sam disappeared with the baby. Jon helped them too.

The night king has always been quite focused on Jon. I think this is because of this, no other hidden reasons or anything, nowt to do with the nights watch, nothing. Just because he aided 'the sacrifice' being 'stolen'.

There had been peace with the walkers for years up til the baby boy was taken.

Now that Sam is going to the crypts too to 'defend' Gilly and the baby, I have a feeling this is where the battle will end. Huge huge battle all around winterfell as TNK knows thats where the baby is, and thats all he wants. Clicks on Sam/Gilly are not there, enters crypt, kills all the other kids and women there, maybe by raising all the dead STarks to fight for him too. Sam busy fighting one of the zombie Starks who now are everywhere. TNK finds Gilly. Kills her. Takes the baby. Sam clicks on, and shoves dragonglass through his back as he tries to leave. Battle over finally, and because of Sam, again, the first ever to kill a nightwalker, the one everyone sees as a coward, ending the greateast battle Westeros has ever seen (so far!)

Probably won't happen. But is very...GOT-esque I think. And given the show/books tend to go in the direction people don't really expect, would fit in with that too.

As for the episode, I have disliked Dany for many series now, but this one made me dislike her a lot more. Wish Jon would go through the whole 'bend the knee!!!' nonsense that she went through now he basically knows he is the true heir, but he obviously won't. I would find it pretty good tbh, if Dany was eaten by her own dragon. They need to kill off a few main characters next episode really, wouldn't mind one being her

My TNK only wants the baby story does not account for Bran saying TNK is only coming for him though. But, Brans been useless to the story so far so I pretend that doesn't niggle a bit

I also think, given Danys (predictable) reaction to Jon..that there will be a point in the battle where she has a chance to save him, and doesn't. Because shes so focused on the fucking throne. SOmeone else probably will, maybe one of the dragons tbh, but I think she will definitely betray him, might even attempt to slyly off him herself.

She makes out shes only here as its 'Jons war', but thats not true. She wants Westeros and the Throne, and the whitewalkers HAVE to be defeated for there to even be a Westeros to rule. So its again, selfish reasons, and all because of this singular focus of hers, which IMO has made her grow arrogant and cold over the seasons.

I don’t properly understand why the NK is coming specifically for Bran, can anyone explain?

Did anyone notice in the scene where Bran said "His mark is on me" and gestured to his arm, that the next shot had a group reaction - facial only for most, but Jaime nodded. Jaime, the man whose hand was chopped off.

I predict an arm chopping for Bran!!

I thought that about the chopping off too - surely bran could afford to lose an arm to save the world?!

Was it not the three eyed raven, being protected by the children of the forest, that Bran went to visit beyond the wall with the Reeds?

But did he not indicate in this episode that the three eyed raven is the Night King? They're discussing the NK exposing himself, when Bran says, "he's tried before, many times, with many three eyed ravens".

Because he wants to erase the world, and Bran is it's memory

I'm thinking the events of the prequel story "A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms" (and the name of this episode), could become relevant soon?

Varys was there, he followed Dany out after the first scene of do we let Jamie stay or not.

I think Dany may try to kill John in the midst of battle and pass it off as a whitewalker attack, but I think he will be saved.

Bronn had better not turn evil/die as I've just named my dog after him!

I am loving Lady Lyanna Mormont - she is one fierce child / lady - so determined & brave. I'll be quite upset if (when) she does next week

Surely baby Sam must be about 5 or so now.

And I suspect Dany's reaction might be a bit of misdirection from the writers. They've done it many times before.

But did he not indicate in this episode that the three eyed raven is the Night King? They're discussing the NK exposing himself, when Bran says, "he's tried before, many times, with many three eyed ravens".

Bran is the three eyed raven. That scene is confirming that TNK wants to end them all starting with the three eyed raven because of his memory/sight and that TNK has tried to do this many times before with ravens prior to Bran

Here’s my mashed musings....

1. TNK want’s revenge against ‘men’ (& The Children) because The Children of The Forest turned him to fight against men. Ironically, I’m assuming TNK turned on The Children because the cave paintings on Dragonstone showed men and The Children joining to fight TNK.

1. TNK uses Craster’s boys as his generals.

1. A series of interconnected events has allowed TNK’s power to grow. The dragons birth has brought true magic back (magicians in Quarth). TNK has been biding his time/amassing his army. People no longer believe in the Whites etc...

1. The actual battle between ice & fire is between Jon & Danny.

There had been peace with the walkers for years up til the baby boy was taken.

This is not true.
The first scene of GoT was the white walkers attacking the nights watch, and the wildlings. Whatever kicked them off had nothing to do with Jon Sam or Gilly

So is there any sort of statute of limitations on who TNK can raise from the dead? Can it be people who've been dead for centuries or just the freshly dead? Because if the former then there's a lot of dead Starks in that crypt and Jon may end up face to face with Mummy Dearest before long...

@TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole

But the white walkers had started killing the wildlings again before Jon, Sam and Gilly got involved in the baby saving.

There hadn't been a sighting of a white walker for thousands of year and from the reaction of the nighrswatchman in the very first scene of season 1, when he comes across the scene of the slaughtered willing camp, it seems like they'd never seen that kind of death before. So, the white walkers killing wildlings wasn't the norm.

Craster has been giving them boys for what, 40 years, and also Mance had been uniting the clans for around that time as well and he was able to do it because of the white walker threat. So they've been "awake" and building their army for a few decades.

Now they've decided to attack, perhaps precipitated by the baby theft or just because men have discovered them or just because they're ready.

(I've not read the books so I'm just using the series. Sorry if anything is nonsense compared to the books).

I'm thinking the events of the prequel story "A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms" (and the name of this episode), could become relevant soon?

The significance was in the episode. The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms was Dunk, and he was Brienne’s ancestor.