Madeleine McCann documentary - part 2

[HollowTalk]

There isn't space on the first thread so thought I'd start another.

I'm watching the first episode and have a couple of questions.

When Kate went back to the apartment (and found her daughter was missing) she was surprised the door was open further than it should be. Yet she hadn't been there before, had she? The friend went the previous time (and didn't bother to check the children were there) and Gerry went the time before. So why was Kate surprised to see the door further open? And why was she going to go back again without checking? The door slammed due to the open window, which made her open it to check the window.

Also, the woman (don't know her name, sorry) who played tennis with Gerry said that he was going up the hill to the apartment (for the first check) and she said, "You're going the wrong way!" and he said, "I'll be back in a minute, Madeleine's (or my daughter's) gone missing. And then when the woman heard a child had gone missing she didn't realise it was Gerry's. That sounds so odd. Not suspicious, just odd.

.Hollow there's a lot of info/detail from the PJ reports here

www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm

Why would they be interested in a pet crematorium?

Thanks, @peridito. I will look at them. I did read the transcripts a few years ago but have forgotten some of the details now.

The Gaspar comments about David Payne were very concerning.

hunting - I think there were checks to see if anything other than pets had been cremated .

I've nearly finish watching it and I must say I don't think the parents were involved, I think the inconsistencies were because a. They couldn't think straight and B. They realised that leaving the kids alone was a negligent thing to do.

What was said about David Payne?

Have a look at this statement by a friend of the McCanns.

That’s weird and horrible

Has David Payne ever publicly denied the incidents described by Katherina Gaspar? Is he aware that this information is available online? If you knew this sort of allegation was out there, wouldn't you want to reject them as loudly as possible?

A social worker was at the resort at the time and went to the McCanns apartment with her credentials to offer support. David Payne gave her short shrift and sent her away. She recognised him from her line of work as either a witness or a suspect. Not sure if she was in the documentary?

What I don't understand is how on a practical level Kate was meant to have discovered Kate's body and hidden it for 2-3 weeks without anyone finding it. Are the police there saying they didn't search her holiday apartment or the surrounding area? It's just so bizarre that they could think within ten minutes she'd find her daughter dead in the apartment and hide it from everyone.

I've lived in my house for many, many years and if that happened to me and, like Kate, I had no car, I have absolutely no idea where I would hide anything, never mind my own child.

I agree HollowTalk and it's the practical issues that for me rule out the McCanns' involvement. It just isn't possible they could have hidden it this well under the circumstances.

I went to post on the first thread but found it closed - about the McCanns' insistence that abduction must have been what happened. Abduction means there is a clear villain of the piece, someone to blame, in the abductor. Whereas if Madeleine had got out and wandered away, you don't have that person to blame, and the focus moves back to the McCanns and their choices in leaving the kids alone. That I think is why they are so adamant about abduction - they want/need there to be a specific person to blame, that's not them.

I think you know your own children. My daughter would have wandered off to find me but my son wouldn't.

But if she'd wandered off, she would have been found. Just as Kate couldn't have hidden Madeleine, Madeleine couldn't have hidden or fallen and not been found. Not after a 24 hour search.

I don't really believe the abduction theory as it's not been proven. I'm amazed at the determination of some people who are insistent that they're guilty. There's so much work gone into trying to prove one of the last photos taken of them around the pool was photoshopped. Analysing shadows etc !!

Re MM wandering off Madeleine had no fear of the sea and jumped in to rescue another child’s hat when they had been taken out on boats by the crèche. She had spent time down on the beach. I don’t necessarily think she would have been spotted. Horrible to contemplate what happened to her but I think there would have been some evidence if it was an abduction.

Re MM wandering off Madeleine had no fear of the sea and jumped in to rescue another child’s hat when they had been taken out on boats by the crèche. She had spent time down on the beach. I don’t necessarily think she would have been spotted. Horrible to contemplate what happened to her but I think there would have been some evidence if it was an abduction.

I think this is plausible. She may well have made her way to the beach and been swept out to sea.

It’s awful beyond words that there’s a likelihood that the parents will never know what happened. If she was swept out to sea then that’s a better fate than some of the abduction possibilities but I imagine as the parents this would be so harrowing as so preventable. And I’m not blaming them. It’s just an awful tragic situation.