Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

Ah I see, that makes more sense!

Sorry to totally me-rail the thread there.

SouthernComforts yes it mentioned in the first episode that Kate was going to do the 9.30 check, but their friend Russell O'Brien said he would check instead. Unfortunately he didn't go in the McCann children's bedroom, just glanced at the door, saw some shapes & assumed everything was ok.
That was a big mistake & one I couldn't forgive. I think that is the main reason Kate blames herself(apart from leaving them to start with) for not going herself at 9.30pm.
If Madeleine had been taken/wandered off between 9 - 9.30pm & Russell had seen that she wasn't there, there may have been a different outcome compared to not finding out till 10pm that she'd gone. Obviously this is just conjecture as we don't know for certain what time after 9pm (when Gerry checked & saw the kids) Madeleine went missing.

Sorry I mean Matt Oldfield not Russell O'Brien.

Tracy I agree, I would blame myself but I will also be mad at him, why didn’t he just look in the room...the outcome could have been so different!

The documentary is only part 1, and the person responsible has a PhD. Even if you don't agree with the content, hardly basic or unintelligent.

I know two people with a PhD and they're both known as a bit so that doesn't mean anything.

This thread has taken an interesting turn, PhD bashing 😆

Northern Runner
The US Forensic Statement Analyst guy was called Peter Hyatt I think. His line by line analysis of their statements made the most sense to me. I think the interviewer was called Rich Hall.

Are “Russell O’Brien” and “Dave” (mentioned earlier), the same person?

Can anyone point me in the direction of Gerry and Kate's interview transcripts? I've been in the JP McCann website thing but it's SO confusing! Thanks.
Oh also, does anybody else think that is very strange that Fiona (JP interview link up thread) mentioned many times about the twins sleeping through out the night of MM going missing. Just to add I have not watched the Netflix program as I haven't got Netflix and can't find it anywhere else!

Dave is David Payne, Fiona's husband. I think Russell O'Brien is married to Jane Tanner?

BusterGonad www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Chronological.htm

I read about David Payne yesterday, I’d never heard of him tbh, what Arul and Katharina Gaspar told the police about him was very worrying to say the least.

I gave up on Peter Hyatt's "analysis" .

He's a statement analyst ,which I'm sorry but doesn't seem very scientific to me .

Plus he compares phrases /words/construction used by Kate ( brought up in England ) with those he claims are commonly used in by others ( American ) to mislead .

He makes a great deal of Kate saying " oh my God " ,but perhaps that's not unusual for Kate. He thinks it's evidence that she's lying and ( possibly subconsciously ) trying to make her lies more convincing .

He does stuff like pointing out that when Kate describes Madeleine asking why she didn't come the night before Kate uses the word "we" . And because children are egotistical Madeleine would not have said "we"
But ffs Kate isn't offering a word by word account of what her dtr said ,she's talking and instead of reporting Maddy said "Sean and me " or " all of us " were crying or whatever ,she says "we" .
Surely it's common for a parent to translate a 4 year old's language when repeating it to another adult ?

It all seemed as if Peter Hyatt was trying to support a conclusion he'd already formed .

Peridito I read Peter Hyatt’s statement analysis and it did make sense to me. I have always thought that they don’t give a straight answer, or even answer the question put to them. They have a strange way of articulating even a straightforward sentence.

I thought he brought up (Peter Hyatt) some interesting points but it took him 45mins to say what I could have said in 10. I only watched part 1.

My husband read on twitter that Kate refused to let the twins be tested for any sedatives despite them not stirring through the whole commotion.

There have definitely been times when the McCanns have made themselves look guilty...for the record I have no idea but I think whatever happened they have more than paid the price.

user I watched a video ,I had a quick google to see if a written transcript might be more convincing and this statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2017/05/kate-and-gerry-mccann-ten-year-interview.html came up .

It really doesn't convince me - so much is made of them being impersonal and the judgement that they have no concern for what their dtr is going through .

It seems like complete tosh to me .

Missing consistently from their interviews has been concern for Madeleine's well being. Even highly abusive parents still show elements of parental instinct. The McCanns have shown love for Madeleine yet, throughout the years, they do not address what Madeleine was going through.
In fact, when a child goes missing, there is no need to say parents "should" act a certain way; as it is instinctive.
The parent calls out for the child, as priority, and seeks the child's return by addressing the kidnapper. Being innocent, they plainly state the kidnapping, personalize it because it is personal, and beg, plead or bargain with the kidnapper.

The parents' natural protective capacities and natural denial do not allow for any other scenario.
In the case of the McCanns, as loving parents, they showed no linguistic concern for Madeleine's plight, especially note worthy ten years ago. There was no pleading that she should have her favorite blanket, teddy bear, or pleading to feed her.

it's just madness ,not everyone reacts in the same way ,perhaps the parents are trying to hold it together ,they have to beg on video for their dtr to be looked after to avoid being called cold and guilty ??

She is a mother. The language should represent a ripping of her child from her, not from "we" and not from "you." FFS !

We expect the father to even talk about what life is like for her, saying complimentary things such as "she is probably doing really well in school because she was so smart" (past tense reference appropriately referring back to Madeleine as a 3 year old) and openly wondering if she likes sports, math, or things that interested him (or Kate) when they were younger. Remember: Madeleine has their DNA. She is their child. This would be an example of linguistic concern for the child.

this is complete madness ,does PH really think that Madeleines parents imagine their daughter is leading a lovely normal life ? Or could it be ,you know ,they can't bear to imagine what she might have and is going through ?

My heart breaks for Kate and Gerry McCann. My daughter is exactly the same age and I was really traumatised when Madeleine went missing because of this. I will never believe for one second that her parents were involved in her disappearance.

For those of you asking why people would take their children on holiday then just put them in kids clubs all day, I'm going to guess that you haven't been to any of these First Choice Holiday Villages, Mark Warner or Thomas Cook type resorts? The kids clubs are fantastic and children can't get enough of them. We took our children to various European holiday resorts when they were younger and they would want to go to every session available at the kids clubs - we had to persuade them not to go if we wanted to do something with them instead. Regular participation in kids clubs is not evidence of the McCann's and their friends' lazy parenting, they were trying to give their kids had a great holiday doing what they love most.

Regarding the comment about the children not waking when lifted - my children were and still are really heavy sleepers. I could change their sheets while they were asleep in their beds without them waking, so there's nothing unusual in that, particularly after a busy, hot day out.

I suspect that the McCanns had media training from very early on.

They have a lot of friends in high places, isn't Kate's best friend Esther McVey?

Esther McVey was a director of their company in the early days after it was set up. beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06248215/officers

The Maddie podcast I linked to above (which I’d really recommend even more now I’ve listened to all episodes that have dropped) goes into a lot of detail about how the disappearance became politicised really early on, within the early weeks. It covers FCO/civil service involvement. I also didn’t realise that Leicestershire police went over to Portugal so early on. I’ve had a quite a few “really? That contradicts what's been in the media moments”.

I think the average person only knows what's been reported in the media - Usually vetted by their spokesperson Clarence Mitchell (another with links to the government

MyEyes yes, if you look at their early interviews by the Portuguese they are very different r.e. Media training.

Why would you want, or need, media training?