Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

I hope the poor baby suffered as little as possible and is now at peace, but I also hope, for her whole family, that they can find out what happened.

Amen to that. It's not looking any likelier, though.

Remember the Lindy Chamberland case? The police were terrible, the public were terrible about Lindy’s behaviour. How badly that poor woman was treated, tried, jailed, and many years later vindicated.

All the parents, in that group did fuck up, by leaving all those children alone, why didn’t they take turns to staying with them I’ll never know. They have had to live with their actions every single day. I really don’t think they did harm her and the police were bloody terrible
I bet they will think about her first thing and last thing at night, just like all the other parents who have had their children go missing.

That set of friends behaved selfishly.
There is no harm in wanting some time away from your children, but every night ?

iirc the friends didn't all behave the same. Some of them had a monitor with them; others had a gran who was in the room with their DCs and the other couple were taking turns to sit with their DCs because one of them was ill.

Still ploughing through Fiona Payne's statement and something that's jumped out at me.

From what she says each couple were checking on their OWN children only. Gerry went to check at 9ish, the next check made on their children was around 10.

Unless Matt Oldfield did his check at that point, but she doesn't recall him mentioning checking on the McCann children, only telling Jane Tanner her eldest had been sick so her husband was staying in the apartment and for her to go back as soon as she'd finished eating.

I'm beginning to see this whole thing very differently. It's absolutely heartbreaking.

@AnneOfCleanTables One couple had a working baby monitor, the gran went out every night to eat with the rest of them and one couple stayed in two nights (one each) as they, not their children, were poorly. The night Madeleine went missing the eldest daughter of the fourth couple had been sick while they were out eating, the father had discovered this during his check and asked the dad from the third couple to let his wife know and ask her to return to relieve him as soon as she'd eaten.

So, yes they all did exactly the same thing.

I started watching last night, I didn’t know they left the children unsupervised every bight. They followed the exact routine every day . kids club all day, dinner out while kids are in bed. If they were being targeted/watched then the kidnappers knew exactly what their pattern was, also I hate to say this but because they were doing the exact thing every night,and proved to be working , perhaps they were a bit careless in closing doors checking on them more often on that evening.

I don’t think Madeline is in Portugal .that sighting in Morocco can only mean that she was trafficked to Africa for specific reasons .
It’s not pedophile case IMO.

I've watched all of the documentary. I thought it was very good. It explained everything that happened in chronological order. Established the facts and dispelled some of the myths surrounding the events.

Whatever decision they made, no one deserves what they have gone through.

None of us have made perfect decisions as parents but some of the sanctimonious views on this thread are ridiculous and some are just clearly wrong and misinformed.

They made a mistake. They made a risk assessment and they were massively wrong. What then happened is every parents worse nightmare.

They obviously love Madeleine dearly and they are clearly ripped apart by what has happened. Of course they feel enormous guilt and have to relive that hell every minute of every day.

I have nothing but sympathy for them. They aren't the only parents who would have made this decision and they, their family and of course Madeleine, have paid the ultimate price. I just hope that whatever happened to Madeleine, she has not had to suffer in any way.

It’s not sanctimonious to say it was extremely negligent. Because it it was - it was a terrible decision to make. And you can hold enormous sympathy for them and wish dearly that what happened to them never did, whilst st the same time not condoning their decision. It wasn’t just a split second error in judgement, but I can also imagine how as each night went by that they did it, they grew in confidence about their decision, as nothing happened - until the very terrible thing that happened did.

It’s utterly horrendous and I would wish more than anything for them to be able to go back in time. I have extreme sympathy for them and cannot imagine the horror they have gone through. I really wish it wasn’t so. But I can also say nothing would make me leave my children alone like that. I have a just turned four year old. She wakes in the night. She’s confused and upset. Nothing would make me leave her alone. It’s not sanctimonious to say that - its just fact.

CSIBlonde - I would be interested to see that, what was the name of the video on YouTube?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=YovQ1TY64Sk

@AngelaSchrute what I mean is that sometimes one of the people interviewed/spoken to on a murder/missing persons tv programme/appeal can be the actual perpetrator of the crime committed. Look at Ian Huntley springing up on TV when Holly & Jessica first went missing, he said he'd seen them that day & that they were lovely girls & how he'd help look for them etc etc. I thought he seemed a bit over the top at the time.
Look at Tracy Andrews, she blamed a road rage driver for the stabbing of her fiancé. She killed him herself.
Look at Karen Matthews, she had her own daughter kidnapped.
Mick Philpott, he set purposely fire to his house for the insurance/rehousing by the council but unfortunately ended up killing some of his children, which he didn't mean to do/didn't contemplate happening.
I would like to say that I firmly believe that Kate & Gerry McCann have nothing/had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance. Their only crime was leaving the children alone in an unlocked room thinking the resort & hotel were safe, not thinking for one minute something so horrendous would happen-every parents nightmare.
I'm wondering if actually one of the people who have appeared in the documentary (not Kate or Gerry I'd like to reiterate) could be the person involved or knows more than they are letting on. Hiding in plain sight.

It's very complicated and not the same as the MM case but...when I first left my abusive ex he went and took my then six yo son from school and went away with him for a week. I didn't know where he was or if he was safe as he didn't communicate with me. Police refused to get involved as he was the father. I can honestly say I howled and howled. I can't put into words the horror of not knowing where your child is 😢

I watched the documentary linked above. It is worth watching and let’s just say it raises a few interesting things.

Totally agree Strawberry.

My MIL (a peadriatric nurse) has always said the same strawberry
I am only on episode 3 of MM documentary and I will watch the YouTube one linked above.
I think there is far more to the story than we will probably ever know, and those parents have my empathy regardless. The pain on their faces is clear.

That documentary linked above is a bit too basic, doesn't explore ever option and is one sided!! Appalling but at least those with an iota of intelligence can see it for what it is

I think the documentary is a hard watch. I’ve felt for years that they accidentally overdosed their child (I still think this) but it’s not an easy thing to hold on to this when watching such obviously distressed people

What do you think they did with her body? How could they have risked one of the other parents checking in on their children, Matt Oldfield could have looked in the bedroom, if they had kept her there at the time he checked on them how could Kate of hidden or taken Madeleine when she went to check?

Why has she never been found?

I think speculation is somehow not allowed but ..it seems the Mc Canns believe their daughter is alive .Why else would they persist in searching for her ,all the publicity and fund raising ?

The documentary is only part 1, and the person responsible has a PhD. Even if you don't agree with the content, hardly basic or unintelligent.