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mentallyfacked · 14/03/2019 10:37

New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

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GooseberryJam · 24/03/2019 15:11

Did Kate McCann actually certify any deaths though in the period before they went on holiday? That would be a matter of record. Surely someone has looked? GPs do certify deaths but that doesn't mean they've been in direct contact with the dead person. My mum died at home and her GP certified her death on the basis of her medical history - they didn't come out to the house or examine her.

Kate could have been called out and present when a patient died but that would be unusual. IIRC that was (and I'm not comparing the two in any other way) how Harold Shipman came under scrutiny, wasn't it - someone noticed that for a GP, he had been actually present at the time at a surprising number of deaths.

queenofarles · 24/03/2019 15:34

there is no requirement in English law for a general practitioner or any other registered medical practitioner to see or examine the body of a person who is said to be dead

If the death occurs in the patient’s own home, it is wise to visit as soon as the urgent needs of living patients permit

If the death occurs in a residential or nursing home and the GP who attended the patient during the last illness is available, it is sensible for him or her to attend when practicable and issue a MCCD (Medical Certificate of Cause of Death)

If an “on-call” doctor is on duty, whether in or out of hours, it is unlikely that any useful purpose will be served by that doctor attending the nursing or residential home. In such cases we recommend that the GP advises the home to contact the undertaker if they wish the body to be removed and ensures that the GP with whom the patient was registered is notified as soon as practicable

this is from BMA website,

Chances are for someone like Kate who works part time are really slim to have been in close approximation with a corpse prior to their holiday.

acciocat · 24/03/2019 16:05

Valanice- horrible isn’t it? That’s what makes me feel uneasy... the stuff surrounding the group that seems to be quite deliberately obscured.

Deadringer · 24/03/2019 16:14

I wondered about the cadaver evidence too. If indeed Madeline was killed in the appartment (I don't believe that she was) she would have been disposed of very quickly to allow for all the events that happened that day/evening. Her body (and I hate to speak of a small child in this way) wouldn't have had time to smell and alert the dogs I don't think? Is it possible that the scent was brought in on someone's shoes, perhaps one of the policemen? If he hadn't been in any other apartment it would explain the lack of alert elsewhere. The programme is very interesting but this thread is fascinating.

soberfabulous · 24/03/2019 16:18

That report from the dog trainers on what they found and how they are both trained is extremely eye opening.

If you combine it with the videos I don't know how you can dismiss their evidence.

soberfabulous · 24/03/2019 16:19

Also on the timing of her death..we only have the parents word for when they last saw her....wasn't the last public sighting of her mid afternoon at the kids club?

Such a tragic case.

soberfabulous · 24/03/2019 16:22

Yes queenoffarles and agree that it's interesting that the cadaver scent was found: in the corner of the bedroom, behind the sofa, on the windowsill and in the garden outside the window.

Let's assume Kate had cadaver scent on her: strange places to be leaving it and coincidentally places that a body could have touched!

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 24/03/2019 16:24

- horrible isn’t it? That’s what makes me feel uneasy... the stuff surrounding the group that seems to be quite deliberately obscured

Now this is one thing I can’t get my head round. Both the Gaspars and supposedly other people heard this conversation in Majorca and nothing was said.

The only thing I can think of is that it was muddled to whom he was actually referring to?

Alyosha · 24/03/2019 16:55

dogs mean nothing in isolation...if you believe they are significant you believe her corpse was in the apartment & the rental car; the question is then how on earth was that possible given the known facts of the situation.

it's a red herring. personally I think it's more likely the dogs were wrong actually, but there you are

GooseberryJam · 24/03/2019 17:03

I don't think the McCann were hiding her corpse, or that they covered up her death. I do think they have given strange reasons for things - such as Kate's claim that the traces could have come from certifying deaths - that have not helped matters. And I think that comes from defensiveness about leaving the kids, how often they checked and so on. But it doesn't help.

caughtinanet · 24/03/2019 17:11

such as Kate's claim that the traces could have come from certifying deaths

I'd need to go back and try and check but I thought this suggestion came from Kate's mum as a reason that the dogs might have alerted. Did Kate herself also say that? She would have known if she's been near a body in those clothes so would have said it definitely happened not suggested it as a possibilty iyswim.

MrsChollySawcutt · 24/03/2019 17:16

I do agree that some of the things that the McCanns have said and done have not helped the way the public view them.

In the Netflix documentary series, there were several times when I thought that Justine McGuinness, the PR advisor was giving them very poor advice and that her own abrasive attitude to the press was unhelpful to their cause.

It must be so hard though, to have to watch every single thing you say, knowing it will be pulled apart a hundred times by people all over the world.

queenofarles · 24/03/2019 17:18

Finding cavader odor in the apartment only means that a body was in the apartment .
doesn’t say who the scent belongs too, who did it or how .

If there was indeed a planned abduction then, maybe she was dead by the time they broke in,
Panicked, moved her around the apartment, dropped Her behind the couch, while trying to move her out of the window.

Maybe the timing is inacurate , and checkups we’re not as thorough or regular as they all claimed.

acciocat · 24/03/2019 17:35

GooseberryJam- exactly. Too much focus on trying to defend themselves and protect the professional reputations of the whole group. I believe this then muddied the waters.

huntinghighandlow · 24/03/2019 17:38

Also on the timing of her death..we only have the parents word for when they last saw her....wasn't the last public sighting of her mid afternoon at the kids club?

The police aren't even certain Madeleine disappeared on that day due to the statement inconsistencies and the crèche records being a mess

AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/03/2019 17:43

as a slight aside

In 2007 Kate Prout went missing from her Gloucestershire home. Eddie the sniffer (yes, the same one used in the MM case) alerted to cadaver in the family home. Despite a body never being found, in 2010 her husband Adrian was found guilty of her murder. He, and his family, protested his innocence.

A year or so later Prout suddenly confessed to the crime and took police to a site in some woodlands where he had buried his wife. After murdering his wife, he temporarily stored her body in a plastic in the same place that Eddie alerted to. So the dog was right after all.

huntinghighandlow · 24/03/2019 17:47

Didn't someone say if that had happened in England, there would have been enough to charge them?

RedHelenB · 24/03/2019 17:49

The one person I was totally convinced by in the documentary was the dog handler. No suggestion from h8m that the dogs got it wrong,

Sassenach85 · 24/03/2019 19:03

Have been keeping up with the debates on this thread. I cannot really say why but Kate and Gerry McCann seem more like parents who are trying to live after the death of their child. So tragic. Somehow now the parents of a missing child who to this day they have no idea what happened to her. Amongst all of the factual information on the thread I feel a bit wary of mentioning this "feeling" but the Mccanns do seem to instigate such a mix of feelings amongst the public in general.

0ccamsRazor · 24/03/2019 19:11

A chap called Peter Hyatt whom is a Statement Analysis specialist (he is worth looking up and has done statement analyisis on camera, he can be found on youtube), advises parents of children that go missing to have a polygraph test so that the police can rule the parents out as suspects and get on with the job at hand ie finding the missing child or the abductors.

Why were the McCanns not offered a polygraph test? By the Portuguese police or the UK police. I dont think this was covered in the documentory?

AnneOfCleanTables · 24/03/2019 19:21

iirc the McCanns refused to undertake a polygraph unless it was admissible as evidence in court but they aren't admissible in Portugal.

It was quite contentious at the time because some people thought even if it wasn't admissible, it would have helped the investigation.

MsPavlichenko · 24/03/2019 19:22

Probably because polygraphy tests are worthless.

EdtheBear · 24/03/2019 20:19

Am I alone in thinking the Portuguese police possibly, planked somethings for the dogs to find, In a bid to frame the McCanns?

Which would explain how the dogs found some thing in both the apartment and car but not DNA backed it up.

The way they seem to have behaved in the other child disappearance seemed to indicate they are worse than incompetent.

I've been on the fence in this for years. Now I'm convinced the Mccanns are innocent. Could be the editing but stuff just isn't adding up.

Re the comments about them setting up a Ltd company, it can be done online in about 30mins. Google how to do it. The Mccanns were well connected if somebody advised thats was best way to deal with appeal cash. That's how they'd deal with it!

AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/03/2019 20:24

blood was found UNDER the floor tiles in the apartment so, no, I don't think anything was planted by the PJ.

twattymctwatterson · 24/03/2019 20:24

hunting people have said that. It's nonsense. There is literally no evidence that the McCanns committed this crime. The dogs can only be used as an indicator when trying to locate a body or at best dna evidence. The tiny trace of dna evidence found in the car couldn't be ruled out as belonging to any member of the family. None of the tapas 7 has ever said anything to implicate the McCanns, nor have any family members confirmed that they have any reason to suspect them. There are no credible witnesses. There's absolutely no evidence they sedated their kids and the lead detective was sacked due to his handling of the case.

We know they, along with everyone else in their party left their kids at night which is obviously wrong and that turned people against them. They'll have to live with that choice. The truth is we'll probably never know what happened to Madeleine.