Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

Indeed. Can't remember the last time I was treated by a hospital doctor dressed like they're off on their hols.

Surely things like pyjamas and underwear would be the same though? And maybe even some outer clothing - jacket or cardigan? This wasn’t high season blazing sun remember... it would have got quite chilly in the evenings.

Anyway, I think the dogs were a waste of money to be frank for the reasons I’ve already given

It was a beach holiday in May and the weather wasn’t great. I’m sure they took eg trousers and long sleeved tops as well as swimwear. In fact we all know they did because there such extensive footage of them in the immediate aftermath. My GP wears all sorts of normal every day clothes.

I think there’s far too many “ifs” in the clothing theory. First they would have to have had contact with dead bodies reasonably recently for the traces to stay on those clothes after washing. More likely multiple washings will have happened. Just because you’re a doctor doesn’t mean you handle dead bodies all the time. Secondly they would have to choose their work clothes to take on holiday which I think is unlikely even on a cooler holiday. Pjjamas and underwear?? How would any trace and smell of dead bodies from work get onto pyjamas and underwear?

I think if you're claiming they had something to do with their daughter's disappearance and think the dog alerts mean something you really do have to explain the 3 week gap & what they did with her body.

And very plausible they took clothes with them on holiday they wore at work.

I don’t think they had anything to do with her disappearance at all.

Not everyone has separate work clothes, though. I’m reasonably well off and I just have clothes.

I’m also pretty sure that’s how the McCanns explained it so they must have thought it possible.

Well why spend any time on the dog alerts then? The dog alerts are only interesting if you have a plausible theory that Madeleine was somehow in the rental car at some point.

Look: no one should jump to the conclusion that anyone who queries anything about this case is suggesting that they think the McCanns did/didn’t have something to do with MM’s disappearance.

What’s become increasingly clear to me is that a few posters seem to see this as some sort of ‘pick a side’ thing, where you’re either ‘Team McCann’ or ‘Team PJ’ or ‘Team Brit Police’. The problem with that is you then try to twist any ‘evidence’ to fit your own theory.

I much prefer to keep an open mind, because actually there is no evidence of what happened. There can certainly be plenty of discussion around the inconsistencies in the case, and I certainly have a view on things like the use of specialist dogs (waste of time as I explained above.) And I feel deeply uneasy about the way the McCanns have run their campaign and about how they receive different treatment to families of other missing children.

But I’m wary of anyone who is convinced they ‘know’ what happened because none of us do.

I think their efforts to find Madeleine will help with future children. And I also think that if we had a European-wide Amber alert system like in the US, children would be much harder to abduct.

‘I think their efforts to find Madeleine will help with future children’

Well, I see no evidence of this.

But hopefully there will be a resolution to the case in the parents’ lifetime.

I don’t think it works that way . Odor wafting from corpses that lingers onto clothes that then gets transferred into cupboards and stays there, that’s multiple cross contact and I don’t think it’s even scentifically possible . From what I’ve read about Eddie is that during his training, surfaces get into direct contact with corpse odor , maybe in a concentration that is similar to direct corpse to surface contact.
When the dogs entered the the apartment they were hyper and alert and started running around trying to figure out the location of the scent they are trained to detect.
With the car they didn’t show the exact hyper movement.

I still believe the parents are innocent .

circumstances of the whole disappearance feeds many theories. Some do make sense , others are plain crazy.

a dead body does not need to be left in a particular in order for cadaver to be found in that place. It could be, for example, that things which came into contact with that body were later in that particular place

I am quite frankly amazed that anyone would suggest using sniffer dogs is a waste of time. No one is going to suggest that they are 100% accurate all the time but all the available evidence suggests that they are far more likely to be right than wrong.

What must day to day life be like for them as a family. The twins are teenagers, they must be haunted every single day.

I wonder if they are still friends with the other people who they were on holiday with, how strange it must be to see their children grow whilst Madeleine is missing.

It is astonishing that Amaral was the lead when he was under investigation re the Joana Cipriano case.

if anyone is interested you can check out the source material - the unadulterated report by the dog handler Martin Grimes

www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

five apartments searched - only the one used by the McCanns triggered an alert

10 vehicles searched - only the one used by the McCanns triggered an alert

Alec- yes, they are far more likely to be right than wrong. My point was that if they were highly likely to alert to places due to reasons connected to the mccanns jobs, then the police would have known that information beforehand.

I often wear vest tops to work as an extra layer or if a blouse is a little 'gappy', I wear black cardigans for work and home. Surely that isn't unusual?

acciocat - Kate Healey worked 1.5 days a week as a GP and GPs rarely come into contact with dead bodies that often, let alone part timers. Gerry McCann was cardiology consultant so once again, would have had little contact with the deceased.

Why wouldnt a GP and a consultant see dead people? GPs certify deaths all the timr

Indeed. Can't remember the last time I was treated by a hospital doctor dressed like they're off on their hols

What cotton trousers and a shirt?

Consultant cardiologists would be less likely in a ward setting (wearing civvies) to certify deaths than say FY1s, FY2s etc - these more junior doctors are more likely to be on the wards than consultants. I'd imagine he would have contact with dead bodies in a theatre environment, while in scrubs.

Gucci I was actually thinking the same thing. It must be unbearable at times. I imagine that they all must wake up each day with that sick feeling you get in your stomach when something is wrong.

The twins will forever live in her shadow.

'The twins will forever live in her shadow'

Must be horrific. Not just the constant pain of missing her but also knowing that they were actually present, sleeping, in the same room when whatever happened occurred. How very easily it could've been them.

I hadn't heard about Katherina Gaspar's statement until I saw it mentioned on this thread. I looked it up and now want to be sick. Why has the media completely ignored it?