Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

Can't have been Cuddle cat as that was washed 5 days after the disappearance by Kate and it would have had her last remaining scent on it.

The handler would know Which car was theirs though.

Can't have been Cuddle cat as that was washed 5 days after the disappearance by Kate and it would have had her last remaining scent on it.

70 days after the disappearance actually.

So much misinformation gets bandied about in this case.

Sorry there was one poster on the car

Fruitbastille I got that from Gerry's blog?

deadwife Eddie is trained to detect scent even if the items were washed a few times.
I’ve watched a few videos about the dogs and they are pretty accurate in their work.

Ah ok.

I get that some people believe that the dog alerts were neither useful, helpful or accurate.

But I don't get the implication the dogs were handled in such a way as to stitch up the McCanns. The (British) dogs used in this instance and their British handler, Martin Grimes, were brought over on the advice given to the PJ of Mark Harrison the National Adviser in relation to Search for all Police agencies within the United Kingdom for Missing persons, Abduction and Homicide. The idea that Martin Grimes would deliberately lead his dogs to make alerts in places and on things that would point the finger at the McCanns is laughable.

Alec- I suppose the only explanation is that if you have an agenda to try to prove that the mccanns were being stitched up from the start, then logic doesn’t get a look in.

I’ve heard some people rant about how awful and incompetent the PJ were, and how much better the British police would have been, using the dogs as an example of that. Clearly not even doing their research enough to realise the dogs were from the U.K. police!

If she’d gone “missing” overnight, they’d “found” her gone in the morning, they’d had the hire car all holiday and one of them had gone for a “long walk” after dinner, then I’d attach a lot more significance to the dogs’ alerting. Circumstances being what they were, I consider the dog evidence anomalous or attribute it to them both being doctors and thus having contact with bodily fluids and possibly dead bodies in the course of their work. If the scents survive several washings, it makes sense to me that eg (completely made up example) a shirt Kate might have worn to certificate a death of one of her patients and washed once since could have remained interesting to the dogs.

I realise that some posters don’t want common-sense explanations for the apparent contradictions and anomalies though.

I’ve always wondered who had hired the car when Madeleine actually disappeared though. If I were into conspiracy theories, I’d hypothesise she’d been snatched by someone at the hire car company using that car, and they then arranged for the same car to be hired out to the McCanns. If I were writing a novel, that’s what the solution would be.

I thought it quite odd that the dogs were brought over at huge expense when the facts around the McCanns jobs as doctors would have compromised any information gathered. After all, it was a known fact that as many of the group were medics they were likely to have come into contact with death and blood.

That’s my point Alaric. UK police would have known all that, and that the dogs would likely alert because of all those possibilities linked to the mccanns (and many others in the group) jobs.

Doctors handling dead bodies wouldn't have been wearing civilian clothes surely? All scrubs and gloves, not holiday clothes I'm guessing. The dogs picked up a scent in the apartment too, while the owners confirmed no one had ever died in that apartment prior to the incident.

GPs and hospital doctors wear civilian clothes most of the time don’t they?

Dogs aren't magical...as the documentary said they are part of the picture, they alert & then you try to find evidence.

The dogs' handlers also need to be unbiased & not have additional knowledge. I.e. knowing which hire car was the McCanns.

In addition to this if you really believe the dogs were alerting to something real & significant you have to explain:

How Madeleine's corpse got into the hire car 3 weeks after she disappeared
Where she was in those 3 weeks
How no one noticed K&G stashing her body etc. etc.

What they wear depends on the speciality surely...a GP would almost always be wearing normal clothes, ditto cardiologist unless they were operating. That's based on my experience visiting my dad in hospital in the HDU twice with heart related issues!

But surely the British police would have known beforehand that due to the nature of the mccanns work, the dogs would likely alert in the apartment and the hire car? Seems a very expensive process to go through if they expected alerts in those places anyway.

I know it’s tricky mentioning the money aspect because some people just naively think unlimited funds should be thrown at the case. But those are highly specialised dogs (weren’t they hired out to other police forces in the U.K. for around £600 a day?) so god knows the cost of flying them and their handlers out to work over in Portugal.

It’s an important point because some people are so quick to accuse the PJ of messing everything up and assuming that the U.K. police would have solved the case in 2 minutes flat. I just find it very strange that the dogs were used at all tbh

Yes doctors often wear civilian clothes but unlikely that they would be the same clothes that they would take on a beach holiday surely

I would have thought not, too.

I read the dogs alert to decomposition after several hours.

Really? Not the same jeans/shirt/belt/shoes/socks? None of it?