Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

I have no idea what happened to her

Funny how you have so much to say about the whole thing yet.

But no-one knows what happened to her - isn't that the point of the documentary and this thread?

What do you think happened to her greatduckcookery?

Are you suggesting that you do know what happened to her GreatDuckCookery?

The fact remains that after almost 12 years and millions of pounds there is still absolutely no substantiated evidence of what happened.

If some people can’t cope with that fact and need to concoct their own theory that’s up to them. I’m comfortable to admit that I don’t know.

It’s laughable to suggest that unless someone has their own pet theory they shouldn’t be commenting on a a thread though... controlling much?!

I think she was taken from the apartment. I’ve always thought that.

People have an equal right to participate in discussion whether they hold any particular theory or indeed none.

Indeed. I just get the feeling from what you’ve posted that you think the McCanns aren’t 100% innocent in all of this.

Well, that’s your issue that as well as forming your own view of what happened you want to decide what other people think too.
Like I said, controlling much?

roisinagusniamh

Before you would even think of abduction you'd think 'what
if they get out of bed and fall'?
'what if they are sick, frightened, thirsty, have a bad dream.....fall out of bed ?'

See I don’t believe that that would always be the case. I have always been very wary about leaving my dc when they were small even out in the garden in their pram just in case someone somehow got in the garden and took them.

Another time when one of mine went missing in a large shop I was frantic with worry and ran to the front doors and asked security to close lock them so nobody could leave with him. Why I think like that I’m not entirely sure. Worst case scenario personality I guess.

So I can imagine someone thinking of abduction immediately after finding their dc gone.

Just going off what you keep writing that’s all. I can’t help it if what you write comes across that way

For the record (as I have said consistently on any thread on this subject) I personally don’t believe the McCanns have anything to do with MM’s disappearance. But that’s my gut feeling which is worth no more and no less than anyone else’s. I honestly think they 100% genuinely don’t know what happened to her.

I really have an issue with a lot of their subsequent behaviour though, and it definitely sits uncomfortably with me that this case is treated so very differently to other cases of missing children.

Well I declare Duck, you're not being a GF to try to get the thread removed are you?

FWIW if you have read the Portuguese police files, it's evident that they were obstructed in properly investigating the parents. IMO no more public money should be spent on 'the search' until they have been thoroughly investigated as any other parent would be in a case like this.

Well I declare Duck, you're not being a GF to try to get the thread removed are you?

The thread would only be removed for a consistent slur on the McCanns, which obviously I have not done as I have always believed them to be innocent.

So not sure what you’re trying to say there tbh.

You seem at pains to try to goad other posters into slurring the McCanns. Perhaps that was what MadMum was getting at?

You’ve already tried to tell me what I think!
Despite the fact that I too have always believed them to be innocent of any involvement in their daughter’s disappearance.

It’s there for all to see what you think of the McCanns so there’s no need for anyone to try and goad you into slurring them, not sure how anyone would do that anyway.

Yeap, I dislike the way they’ve behaved and the fact that this case is treated so differently to other cases of missing children who are equally deserving.

You’re desperation for me to say I think the McCanns ‘did it’ (whatever ‘it’ may be!) is palpable!! Sorry to disappoint you.

It doesn’t mean I believe every thing they say though (which would be impossible anyway since quite a bit has been conflicting) And I certainly don’t put them on some kind of saintly status pedestal or hold them up as exemplary parents.

Your

Actually this thread been quite remarkable in that no-one has said they think the parents are guilty.

What I and a few others have said is that we want to believe the parents and that we see their genuine anguish but that there are many unknowns and inconsistencies surrounding the case and that is a lack of evidence to substantiate any specific theory. Including abduction straight from the bed.

It is a horrible case because while we all know people who parent terribly, they usually don't have such a shocking event occur. It's the conflict between feeling desperately sorry for them but also wondering why on earth not one of them thought of the risks. Kids being sick, upset, wandering off let alone the obvious that it was a very accessible apartment and not secure.

I thought the programmes were balanced, they showed all lines of enquiry that have been made public in an unbiased light.

It's harrowing to imagine living with that whole totally preventable tragedy.

Actually this thread been quite remarkable in that no-one has said they think the parents are guilty

That's because any comment veering in that direction has been deleted.

There is far more information out there on the internet that is more impartial.

Like the "ask the dogs" Portuguese interview.

The problem with the dogs evidence is that there is no valid forensic evidence to back it up though. Martin Grimes, the dogs handler says himself that the dog alerts are the first step towards finding evidence and that this must be validated by forensics.

Sadly in this case there is currently no forensic proof available. Maybe as tests continue to become more sophisticated the samples can be re-tested. However due to the contamination of the whole crime scene and mishandling of the samples I think it is doubtful that it could ever be admissible in a court of law.

Cholly your post at 17:34 sums it up. Sadly there is just no evidence to substantiate any theory. I hope within the parents life time the case is solved. It seems unlikely given the fact so many years have passed with no clear evidence. But then I thought the same about the Ben needham case. No real evidence for year and years , various theories bandied about that he’d been stolen by a gypsy gang. And then after literally decades it’s been concluded that he most likely died accidentally. So it can happen that after many years there’s some kind of closure. I hope so.

the alerts provided by the dogs produced evidence of blood and cadaver - the dogs were neither wrong nor lying. The Forensic Science Service was unable to ascertain who the blood and cadaver belonged to.

No-one on the thread has said that the dogs were lying?

As you say, there is currently no forensic evidence available to identify anyone (be that victim, perpetrator or completely unlinked person) from the samples taken from the alert locations.

The alerts provided by the dogs produced evidence that the dogs alerted - that’s all. There was no forensic evidence of cadaver or blood.