Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

The mccanns clearly avoided ever saying they thought they were wrong. I think they chose their words extremely carefully to never ever say that.

Do you know what? I think their insistence on limiting themselves to expressing regret was a) because they remained scared of negligence charges , and, b) because they did believe so strongly that it was definitely abduction.

Which is another small tragedy, as far as I can see.

Well if you look at some of the meanings for the word regret eg repentance, remorse, shame, guilt to name a few that is enough to feel satisfied that the McCanns used the word regret instead of the words “they were wrong”. But I’ve already said as much before so you know where I’m coming from here.

Nope just going by what the Mccanns say and write rather than putting my own spin on it !

but that's exactly what you are doing ! I've not seen anything that shows that the McCanns actually said/wrote that it was a fact that Madeleine was abducted nor that they dismissed all other theories .

But you have assumed that because they believed Madeleine was abducted they must have dismissed all these many other theories ,indeed that they did so with the motive of steering ppl away from them

Peridito - thanks for telling me what I (don’t!) think.

Cole- I agree. I think they did think (but don’t know) it was an abduction and I suspect they were also shit scared that the other children might be taken off them, not to mention the potential professional impact on everyone in the group, who were also parents.

Cole, but when they said that, they presumably did think that they were in possession of a fact which proved she’d been abducted? Even if later it proved to be a sighting of an innocent passerby, not an abductor?

I guess I just don’t understand why people have it in for them. They did something stupid and careless and now they’ll be punished for it for the rest of their lives. So why do people want to pick at everything they’ve said and done ever since? Unless you believe they had something to do with it, surely it just makes sense to assume everything they’ve done since was with the aim of getting her back, however misguided it may have been.

Which makes it even more bizarre that the twins were not drug tested that night

I have got a vague memory that the twins hair WAS tested for drugs much later. I'll check later.

Cole, but when they said that, they presumably did think that they were in possession of a fact which proved she’d been abducted? Even if later it proved to be a sighting of an innocent passerby, not an abductor?

Of course.

I guess I just don’t understand why people have it in for them.

I don't have if it for them. Where've you got that idea from?

My whole point about this is that families will inevitably have their own views, but the families don't usually become the public voice of an investigation (because U.K. police fulfil that role in domestic cases), and therefore the family's opinion does not normally dominate and influence matters.

If my child had gone missing I'd have doubtless acted in much the same way as they have. I do not blame them. I do not suspect them of anything major. But I do think that they were - naturally - biased and maybe mistaken.

I was going to say, they could have tested the twins’ hair without any invasive tests.

Unless you believe they had something to do with it, surely it just makes sense to assume everything they’ve done since was with the aim of getting her back, however misguided it may have been.

Yes. Exactly. Misguided.

I'm thinking in terms of what has affected the best chance of solving the mystery.

You seem to be thinking in terms of not contradicting the family.

I wasn’t talking about you, Cole. There definitely are lots and lots of people who seem to really dislike them though.

Actually, I shouldn’t say I don’t understand. I guess I do understand, as I felt anger towards them when it first happened. But now all I feel for them is compassion - I think perhaps having DC made me change my opinion.

Cole - agree. I also think it’s not about people having it in for them (apart from possibly a small minority) It’s as much about accountability as anything - not personal accountability because that’s not relevant- but accountability of public funds. Millions have been poured into the case, way more than other cases and almost 12 years later no sustantial evidence or abduction, wandering off, harm, accident... of course people will have opinions and They have a right to know about public expenditure

Invasive or not - if you thought someone had drugged your children wouldn't you want to know what with and importantly in what quantity. They may have needed treatment or suffered ill effects from tainted street drugs for example.

And I’m quite happy to contradict them! I’m not sure she was abducted at all. I just think it’s obvious why they think that, and why they emphasised it so much.

I think a lot of anger toward the McCanns has frankly been from uneducated people, who didn't understand that the McCanns were educated professionals, trained to cope under stress, who were falling back on their training and attempting to be calm, methodical and restrained in order to be effective.

The same kind of people who believe madcap theories by YouTube saddos.

Same demographic as Charlie's Army and god knows what else.

I’m not sure she was abducted at all. I just think it’s obvious why they think that, and why they emphasised it so much.

Well then we agree.

You were just emphasising their motivation for believing it and I was emphasising the unfortunate effect of their belief and we were at cross purposes.

I think it's obvious why the Tapas 7 made a pact of silence.

Yes, I think you’re right. About us being at cross purposes and about it being largely uneducated tinfoil hatters who hate them now.

Well I’m sure I’ve read that the twins did have hair samples taken some 3 months later because KM complained that their hair had been hacked.

BTW, pages 337 & 338 of KM's book she expresses frustration with the PJ's failure to conduct hair, blood or urine tests on the twins.

She goes on to say that in September forensic scientists came to take hair samples from Kate, Sean & Amelie in relation to forensic examination of the hired Renault Scenic and that she asked that they all the samples be additionally tested for drugs. The tests came back negative.

A nice dollop of snobbery towards the uneducated masses who shouldn’t have an opinion. They may, however, just have emotional intelligence.

‘The same kind of people who believe madcap theories by YouTube saddos.

Same demographic as Charlie's Army and god knows what else.’

Absolutely. It’s the kind of ignorant thinking that can only deal with extremes: either hating the McCanns, or being fanatical and hanging on their every word as if they have some kind of sainted status.

It takes a bit more intelligent thought to see that things are rarely black and white- they aren’t evil, neither are they saints. Their actions over the years are questionable in many ways, but at the same time, their motives have probably been genuine.

I do think the public accountability has a lot to do with it though. Every time more public funds are ploughed in, people question whether this is the best use of a finite resource, and you can’t blame them for that

After 3 months they would.

@user1457017537 when I went to find an archive interview in YouTube, I had to wade through DOZENS of amateur videos with names like "Kate's killer look", "Why did Kate flinch when Gerry moved during interview...", "The McCanns: Embedded Confessions" and "Lie Spotting: The Guilty McCanns".

Tonnes of similar home made dross that's the modern equivalent to phrenology and palmistry.

The kindest excuse I can think of is that these people aren't too well educated. If that makes me a snob, that's fine by me.