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mentallyfacked · 14/03/2019 10:37

New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

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MrsChollySawcutt · 20/03/2019 17:33

"Why do people question children not waking being strange? "

In the documentary there is footage of Kate herself saying that it was strange that the twins slept on for 5 to 6 hours after they discovered MM was missing. She says that they wondered if the abductor had drugged all of the children to keep them quiet.

Which makes it even more bizarre that the twins were not drug tested that night.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 20/03/2019 17:37

Personally I don’t see it as very different to say they regret leaving them as opposed to being wrong. That is enough for me. I don’t need to hear the words “we were wrong” as I can tell from just looking at Kate’s face that she regrets that decision and will do forever.

acciocat · 20/03/2019 17:45

Peridito- you’ve been shown evidence from the mccanns website, their book and video clips of interviews where they say categorically that they ‘know’ MM has been abducted. In the book and in interviews they say they know she didn’t wander out. If you are claiming that all this evidence doesn’t mean they are discounting any other possibilities then frankly I don’t think any of us can say anything to persuade you otherwise! The evidence is there plain and clear. They say they know she was abducted.

StarlingsEverywhere · 20/03/2019 17:45

Careful starling your blood pressure will go through the roof with all that hyperbole

I love it when people say things like this. It shows they’re getting wound up.

peridito · 20/03/2019 17:48

Which makes it even more bizarre that the twins were not drug tested that night

what would such testing have involved ,anyone know ? Taking blood ? If I were frantic about one of my children I wouldn't want anyone carrying out any invasive procedures on my twins .

just my view ,possibly not bizzare .

acciocat · 20/03/2019 17:48

Greatduck- I’m absolutely sure they regret the decision too. And I don’t need them to say ‘we were wrong’ - it matters not a jot to you or me as individuals. Public opinion is bigger than you or me though. They have been quite calculated in only saying they regret leaving the children (well, obviously, they’re hardly going to say they don’t regret it after one goes missing.) You can regret loads of things in hindsight without feeling that you did anything wrong at the time. Very different from saying that you believe it was the wrong decision to make

acciocat · 20/03/2019 17:50

Good try starling Grin

StarlingsEverywhere · 20/03/2019 17:52

And speaking of hyperbole... surely it’s obvious to anyone that them saying “We KNOW she was abducted” is actually them saying “We believe she was abducted”. Obviously they can’t actually know it! So why do people to expect them to preface it every time with “This is our firmly held belief, for which the evidence is debatable”? To me, that’s the unspoken implication.

StarlingsEverywhere · 20/03/2019 17:53

I’m not “trying” anything. Are you under the impression that we’re in a competition with winners and losers? How odd.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 20/03/2019 17:54

Regret
To feel sad, repentant, or disappointed over (something that one has done or failed to do).
"she immediately regretted her words"
synonyms: be sorry about, feel contrite about, feel apologetic about, feel remorse about/for, be remorseful about, rue, repent (of), feel repentant about, be regretful at/about, have a conscience about, blame oneself for More
noun
1.
a feeling of sadness, repentance, or disappointment over an occurrence or something that one has done or failed to do.
"she expressed her regret at Virginia's death"
synonyms: remorse, sorrow, contrition, contriteness, repentance, penitence, pangs of conscience, guilt, compunction, remorsefulness, ruefulness, shame, self-reproach, self-accusation, self-condemnation;

I think the meaning of the word regret is enough.

StarlingsEverywhere · 20/03/2019 17:57

ANYWAY! The thread is getting completely derailed now. Shall we go back to talking about the documentary before this gets deleted?

I haven’t watched the last two episodes yet, do they concentrate more on other missing children?

acciocat · 20/03/2019 17:57

Knowledge is the same as belief ..... hmmm... . you’d better rewrite the dictionary then!

acciocat · 20/03/2019 17:59

Well yes, it’s a fast track to derailment when people start posting

‘Well when the McCanns wrote XXX, I actually think they mean ZZZ’

StarlingsEverywhere · 20/03/2019 18:01

Again, it’s Occam’s razor.

They can’t KNOW, everyone is aware that they can’t actually KNOW what happened, so it’s obvious that they mean that they believe it, they’re sure of it, they think that’s what happened.

StarlingsEverywhere · 20/03/2019 18:03

Give it a rest, accio! You’ve spent the last 50 posts or more arguing about semantics! I’ve barely begun.

acciocat · 20/03/2019 18:05

Nope just going by what the Mccanns say and write rather than putting my own spin on it !

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 20/03/2019 18:06

But you’re allowed to say that even though they say they regretted leaving the children they didn’t mean that they were wrong?

acciocat · 20/03/2019 18:07

ANYWAY to answer your question peridito, I’m pretty sure sedatives show up in urine for several days so invasive tests aren’t needed to detect a lot of drugs.

jacksonmaine · 20/03/2019 18:08

know ? Taking blood ? If I were frantic about one of my children I wouldn't want anyone carrying out any invasive procedures on my twins .

just my view ,possibly not bizzare .

Yes but they could have tested a couple of the children from the group first.

peridito · 20/03/2019 18:10

^acciocat* - so now you've changed your argument from whether or not the McCanns actually said that the abduction was a fact and that I've been shown evidence that they not only said that but also that they insisted there were no other possibilties .

Now you're claiming that because the McCanns said they knew Madeleine was abducted then they discounted all other theories .

I still don't know why this is of such concern to you but I would have thought that the extract posted p125 shows that Kate did consider the possibilty that Madeleine wandered off .But that she dismissed it for the reasons given .

Why are you so interested in "all" these other theories being ,as you think ,dismissed ?
There aren't that many - abduction from inside or outside the flat while "wandering " ,or some unknown accident inside or outside the flat.

I think when you say things like
My point was about the mindset of the McCanns- they put in motion a massive PR machine and even set up a company within days of their daughter going missing and part of that was promoting one possible theory, and trying to steer people away from thinking anything else might have happened

your true motive in criticsing the Mc Canns becomes clear . It's not just that you think that they have no evidence for an abduction and therefore shouldn't present it as a belief or fact .

It's because you think they were deliberately promoting a theory with the intention of steering ppl away from thinking "something else might have happened "

And despite your protestations to the contrary it's clear what you think that something was and who was responsible ..

acciocat · 20/03/2019 18:12

Greatduck (if we’re allowed by the thread monitor to mention semantics Grin ) in all seriousness, no, I think there is a really important difference. The mccanns clearly avoided ever saying they thought they were wrong. I think they chose their words extremely carefully to never ever say that. By saying they regret the decision it’s saying they feel sad that they made that choice, and that they feel they punish themselves for making it, but they don’t actually say it was wrong to leave the children.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 20/03/2019 18:12

Well said peridito

ColeHawlins · 20/03/2019 18:12

@StarlingsEverywhere look at the first two minutes of the clip I posted at 16.44 (from a BBC Breakfast interview in May 2008 - presumably to mark the first anniversary).

They do actually say that they KNOW it was an abduction but that they can't say how they know because they're bound by (Portuguese) "Judicial secrecy" but they have access to more facts than the public.

So that would have been enough to convince most people not to consider anything they might know that pertained to an accident, or a possible wandering child.

As it turns out, the secret facts they were referring to were probably Jane Tanner's sighting of a completely innocent dad & toddler.

I don't know why everyone is arguing so heatedly. It's just a sad, but understandable, quirk in the history of the case.

jacksonmaine · 20/03/2019 18:13

I agree peridito to not contemplate other possibilities is quite odd actually.

ajandjjmum · 20/03/2019 18:16

I was driving to an early meeting, when an unconfirmed report came through on the radio (Five Live?) from someone to say that there had been a suspected abduction in Portugal, and that the parents were desperate for help, as the local police did not seem to be acting with urgency. I think it was a relative of the McCanns who had been phoned, and contacted the radio station.

I can remember thinking how frantic I would feel if it happened to one of my DC, and I didn't feel that everyone was doing everything possible to help.

No way would the McCanns keep Madeleine in the public eye, if they had had anything to do with her disappearance.