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Madeleine documentary

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mentallyfacked · 14/03/2019 10:37

New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

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PierreBezukov · 20/03/2019 16:35

In the Yvonne Martin statement, she reports that KM said Madeleine had been abducted ^by a couple.^ She also said that David Payne was always with the couple, and she found him a bit sinister and strange - he also wore the same clothes as the man in the Irish family sighting... Hadn't read that before.

Tinyteatime · 20/03/2019 16:36

I’m halfway through the documentary. I didn’t know much about the case but I’m horrified at how badly the police handled the case. I really feel for the Mcanns and all they went through. It seems the police were intent on finding them to blame and didn’t bother to explore otherwise. What I’m amazed by is that no one linked the sighting of the man who claimed to be a charity collector who later wandered into the woman’s house whilst her child was downstairs alone until ages after MM disappeared. Surely this would have been reported to the police at the time? It seems so obvious that there was a gang (or individual) on the look out for a child to abduct?!

MyEyesAreNotDeceivingMe · 20/03/2019 16:41

I agree about the point about the vilification of the McCanns.

I thought we, as in the public at large, were expected to agree with some quite dissonant statements. I remember the one about how they said it was just like dining in the garden.

When I first heard that I thought oh yeah I can see how you’d feel like that. But then once the layout was shown on TV and in the press, I remember thinking, blimey that’s nothing like dining in your garden.

And then being told that all families had left their children unattended so the McCanns were really unlucky. . But then it’s revealed one family had a digital monitor and the others had locked their patio doors and were using their locked front door to check.

StarlingsEverywhere · 20/03/2019 16:43

to behave so litigiously towards people who propose other theories takes it beyond their own personal belief.

But they don't sue people who say "She could have wandered off", do they? They sue people who say "The parents did it", because it's libellous.

ColeHawlins · 20/03/2019 16:44

This addresses some of the points above.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=YETJ6WgIrFU

acciocat · 20/03/2019 16:49

Well actually it would be slander if people just said it, not libel. And I’m sure many people do say it!!

My point was about the mindset of the McCanns- they put in motion a massive PR machine and even set up a company within days of their daughter going missing and part of that was promoting one possible theory, and trying to steer people away from thinking anything else might have happened. I didn’t say they do (or can) every individual who says anything.
They’ve certainly had an impact on social media like hardly anyone else though. Look at some of the really awful things that are written about various celebrities or notorious people which don’t get removed - and then look at the difference in the way the mccanns are treated.

acciocat · 20/03/2019 16:50

do (or can) sue every individual

Sassenach85 · 20/03/2019 16:50

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Tinyteatime · 20/03/2019 16:54

Why do people question children not waking being strange? Once in a deep sleep, my toddler will sleep through pretty much anything! I thought this was a well known thing babies and toddlers do.

StarlingsEverywhere · 20/03/2019 16:56

Well, really I was talking about them putting pressure on newspapers and sites like MN, so it would be written down, so it would be libel. But I suppose they would also sue eg someone on TV who said it out loud. Which would be slander. I am aware of the difference.

flapjackfairy · 20/03/2019 16:56

I don't know how to link but there is a v interesting interview in a Portuguese newspaper by KM from Sept 17th 2007.
She reiterates that she us certain Madeleine was abducted and that they were good parents who were not to blame for leaving the kids alone

StarlingsEverywhere · 20/03/2019 16:57

My actual point was that they don't sue people for writing or saying that she might have wandered off.

roisinagusniamh · 20/03/2019 17:00

I think they come across as arrogant inthat video clip.
They are not accepting that they were neglectful.

jacksonmaine · 20/03/2019 17:02

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flapjackfairy · 20/03/2019 17:03

The article mentioned above is on mail online Sept 17 , 2007 .
She says she has never doubted Madeleine was abducted

acciocat · 20/03/2019 17:05

They have never acknowledged that they were wrong to leave their children alone in the apartment. Personally I find that quite shocking.

Sassenach85 · 20/03/2019 17:10

Didn't they refuse to allow them to check the twins blood for sedative? I know there are lots of possibilities and yes some kids sleep through a marching band but ....

StarlingsEverywhere · 20/03/2019 17:11

I do think that if they'd abased themself on Oprah or This Morning, wept and wailed about how it was all their fault, how they were stupid and negligent, how much they regret leaving them, people wouldn't still be nitpicking endlessly about whether saying "I knew she'd been abducted" is stating something as a FACT that will change the course of a SY investigation or a bereaved mother's strongly held conviction.

To be honest, I kind of respect them more for the implicit "Fuck you all" of their refusal to do this.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 20/03/2019 17:11

They have never acknowledged that they were wrong to leave their children alone in the apartment. Personally I find that quite shocking

They’ve acknowledged regret and felt they had let her down. Also who knows whether they acknowledge they were wrong in the confines of their own home?

Why is that the public feel like they are owed an explanation or an acceptance from the McCanns that they were in the wrong.

Who are we to expect that?

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 20/03/2019 17:12

To be honest, I kind of respect them more for the implicit "Fuck you all" of their refusal to do this

Me too.

MadMum101 · 20/03/2019 17:18

Wasn't there also some dissent among the staff at the British Embassy in Portugal about getting involved due to inconsistencies in statements but they were told they HAD to offer whatever support was needed. The Ambassador stood down shortly afterwards, leaving the diplomatic service totally, as did some other staff?

Will link if I can find where I read it.

huntinghighandlow · 20/03/2019 17:19

Just read the Gasper statement, and the page linked to a statement by a British social worker who turned up the next day offering her services. She said Kate told her a couple had taken Madeleine and when the social worker tried to get her to one side, David Payne appeared and told her they didn't need her help. She thought she recognised him from somewhere in her line of work as a suspect or witness.

queenofarles · 20/03/2019 17:27

Fiona Payne said the twins didn’t wake up and Kate was checking on them to see if they were breathing. I found that odd and adds to the theory that perhaps due to the kids waking up the previous night they might have given them something to help them sleep better?
It sounds stupid now , but perhaps at that time it made sense to them.
I know few friends who recommended that I should give anti histamines to my DCs on long haul flights . They explained it’s like adults taking dream water. I never did such thing of course,but it’s something that some parents do.

acciocat · 20/03/2019 17:28

Careful starling your blood pressure will go through the roof with all that hyperbole.

No need for weeping and wailing. Just a simple acknowledgement that they were wrong might have gone some way to making public opinion a little less hostile.

As for saying they regret leaving the kids... well, they’re hardly going to turn around and say ‘no we don’t regret it at all’ are they? It’s very different to saying they were wrong though, or even that they thought it was poor judgement.

As for the public being ‘owed’ something... er no we’re not owed anything, but you’re overlooking the fact it’s the McCanns setting up a business, a website, going on tv, radio.... they are putting themselves in the spotlight and presenting themselves like this and yes of course the public will form opinions. They’ve wanted the public to listen to them from day 1. Some people might respect them more for saying that they don’t think they did anything wrong. But you can’t expect everyone to agree with that

peridito · 20/03/2019 17:32

Peridito - it seems that now you’ve been shown the evidence, you now want to see a quote which actually uses the word ‘fact.’

I'm not saying it now I've been shown evidence ,it's what I asked for orginally .Sigh ,I'll have to go back now and copy the posts so that you can see the timing

here you go

idito Wed 20-Mar-19 12:58:22
But Kate who is the childs mother and y'know probably in a better position than us to understand what her child might have and might not have done ,thinks her child wouldn't have opened the pation doors and wandered off .

Using phrases like "they insist" "rather than accepting " is so accusatory .

Is there a direct quote somewhere where the McCanns "insist" that there are no other possibilties .?

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peridito Wed 20-Mar-19 14:56:39
acciocat - I did ask you to correct me if I was wrong ,I'm not attributing things to you that you haven't said .

Where do the McCanns say that it is a fact that Madeleine was abducted ?