Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

I was just about to say that you said it better @acciocat

BUT I do think that their steering of the case (by default, innocently, because of the various special circumstance) has caused certain possibilities not to be looked at, and has influenced the media, the public, and even British investigators.

What angles are they? Wasn't there a massive search a few years back of wells and scrubland to investigate the possibility she had wandered off and fallen?

I think Scotland Yard looked at pretty much every angle they could. What the McCanns think is irrelevant in terms of what the Police actually do.

When you think about it, exactly the same thing happened with Ben Needham - a long held assumption of abduction, gypsies persecuted, age progression images, international appeals etc. Then, finally, the probability of an accident comes to light.

Does anyone remember mediced? Do you think they could have been using that?

There were road works or something nearby, weren’t they digging a big trench in the road for pipes or something. Again, that must have been ruled out.

I think Scotland Yard looked at pretty much every angle they could. What the McCanns think is irrelevant in terms of what the Police actually do

True. But they were the people paying the only investigative team for years before SY got involved. Plus they've driven a lot of the publicity around the case.

Look at this. It's the "author information" from Amazon's listing of Kate's book. The text will have been supplied by her or her publisher. It again asserts abduction and details their investigative efforts;

Re the video on the bus, that's total deadpan Scottish humour. No biggie

You know that and I know that but youd' be amazed as the stupidity of people all over the internet who think the video is a sign of something sinister

Very true about the Ben Needham case- lots of talk of gypsy gangs operating in the area, and how a blonde child would be a target etc. And then years later the likely conclusion drawn is in some ways so much more mundane (though equally tragic)

@acciocat I'm sorry ,honestly I'm not trying to side step anything .

perhaps we are we disagreeing over semantics ?

You think ( I think ) that although the McCanns believe Madeleine was abducted they shouldn't say that because it hasn't been proved ?

And ( correct me if I'm wrong as I really think we're misunderstanding eachother here ) that because they are saying it/discussing it as if it were a fact they are also refusing to consider other possibilties ? Although as I've said it would be likely to my mind that they have considered the other possibiltyof her wandering and dismissed it .

And continued to believe that she didn't wander off not only because they ,knowing their child and the circumstances, think it's unlikely but also because there has been no evidence to justify this while investigating the possibilty .

Surely it's unreasonable to expect the McCanns when they are talking or writing about their daughter's dissapearance - which they believe was an abduction and have no reason to believe otherwise - to always qualify their remarks with a statement to the effect that abduction hasn't been proven/we don't know what happened /something else could have happened / but some people disagree with us and believe she wandered off ?

I still don't understand why this is so worthy of comment .

@peridito just imagine if this had all happened on home turf -Bognor Regis or Llandudno. There would have been a better quality police investigation, with regular media briefings by the police and a police liaison stating with the family 24/7. The family wouldn't have been left to run the media campaign or fund private investigators and consequently the public narrative would have been very different.

There's a reason why crimes are investigated by impartial police and not family members (and it isn't just because sometimes family members are the offenders).

I think there’s a lot of things the mccanns shouldn’t have said or done. And equally things that they probably should have said and done.

I feel very sorry for them but I think their actions from the moment the child was discovered missing have not helped the case, and that the waters are now well and truly muddied.

I think we’re on the same page though peridito in that neither of us believe they harmed the child

I'm not sure why what the McCann's believe is relevant? They could believe she was whisked away by Fairies and it wouldn't make a jot of difference to official police investigations so why is it so wrong they choose to believe she was abducted.

I've never met Madeline but I would prefer to believe she was abducted by the childless Australian couple and is being loved and nurtured over other theories.

What is the stuff about Payne meant to prove though- even if he was dodgy as fuck, he was surely eating with everyone else and therefore wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do anything to Madeleine?

I've never met Madeline but I would prefer to believe she was abducted by the childless Australian couple and is being loved and nurtured over other theories.

Exactly. Which is why you don't investigate missing child cases.

What Australian couple?

(And why families shouldn't be left to arrange and fund their own investigations.)

There are just so many strands to this awful situation. But there are so many inconsistencies and gaps, combined with this unwavering insistence that they know she was taken from her bed..

it's comments like this that annoy me ,especially the combined with this unwavering insistence you make it sound as if it's wrong for the McCanns to believe that Madeleine was abducted and wrong to continue to believe it .Why ????

There are inconsistencies but I don't know of any that are significant - what is being referred to ? Are you suggesting that both the police in Portugal and the British police have swept important ( not differences in time about who checked when ) under the carpet ?
What gaps ?

Exactly. Which is why you don't investigate missing child cases

And nor do the McCann's so why is their belief she was abducted so important? The PJ and Scotland Yard are running the investigation.

The reason I don’t believe in the wondering off theory , is that they’ve been staying in that complex for some days , Madeline would have known by that time how to reach the tapas bar, and in the likelihood she went down through the gate and into the side road, I’m sure she would Have been stressed at being outside and start crying and alerted passers by . it’s very unlikely that she was walking alone in the streets and just some random person picked her up.

Frequency

BUT I do think that their steering of the case (by default, innocently, because of the various special circumstance) has caused certain possibilities not to be looked at, and has influenced the media, the public, and even British investigators.

What angles are they? Wasn't there a massive search a few years back of wells and scrubland to investigate the possibility she had wandered off and fallen?

I think Scotland Yard looked at pretty much every angle they could. What the McCanns think is irrelevant in terms of what the Police actually do."

well said ,but probably not sufficiently sensational for people to pay attention to .

And nor do the McCann's so why is their belief she was abducted so important? The PJ and Scotland Yard are running the investigation.

But they DID run the investigation for several years between the PJ ceasing enquiries and British police taking over. See the screenshot from Amazon I posted below.

They shouldn't have been left in that position. Nobody could be detached enough to play that dual role if their child was missing.

It doesn't mean they're "wrong" to prefer to believe whatever they believe. It just means that they're too involved to be impartial.