Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

Gosh I just googled that statement - I had never heard of the Gaspar statement - now there is an added dimension of weirdness to it all.

Oh yes, I have the book somewhere. Unless it went to the charity shop. I'll have a look.

There's also this from 15.30 onwards;

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ8jmdWlB8Y&t=1898s

I have just read the Gaspar's statement I hadn't heard of it up to now. Makes me feel sick.

Also as has been mentioned, to carry out a planned abduction through a window is such high risk of being seen. Particularly as AFAIK MM wouldn’t fit the usual profile for trafficking ... isn’t it vulnerable children who are far more likely to be targeted? (as in vulnerable through other factors; obviously unsupervised children are going to inherently be more vulnerable.)
I mean it’s possible (I wouldn’t discount any of the possible theories) but it just seems so much less likely than other explanations. Even opportunist abduction seems more credible (and that’s extremely rare)

Maybe she did say it in the book .
But the 2 links above do not give direct quotes - they say that

A source close to the McCanns told Mail Online: ‘Kate and Gerry have always maintained that their daughter was abducted and simply didn’t get up and wander off to her fate.

AlecTrevelyan006 yes I have seen the statement from Yvonne Martin too.

The Gaspar statement is awful. Apparently the males in their holiday group used to bathe the children and afterwards she was very careful not to let Payne bathe her daughter on his own.
I'm very surprised why this hasn't been more widely publicised.

She did write it in the book. Hopefully someone will find the quote. I remember being completely surprised by it. She didn’t just write ‘abducted’ she wrote that they know she was abducted from her bed

@peridito they've said it so very many times. They haven't budged from it.

This is the "About the Fund" page from their own website;

http://findmadeleine.com/aboutthee_campaign/index.html

"Fund Objectives
The full objects of the Fund are:
To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;
To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and
To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family."

Was the Gasper statement ever verified or was it "a source close to the family" claim?

I highly doubt such a statement would be ignored by the Police if it was proven to be true or at all feasible. Plus David Payne was dining with them wasn't he?

To the PP, The PJ files have the scanned Portuguese documents alongside the English translations. Well at least I think that’s what they are.

www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ALEXANDER_SOUSA.htm

One thing I don't understand is why do people think that Madeleine could have been already missing when the friend Russell checked on the children- if the window and shutters of the bedroom were opened surely he would have noticed that when he walked past the window?

Frequency - that the statement was made is a matter of fact. The content of the statement is of course unproven. The media and the McCanns have always steered clear of it

Please be aware that things often get lost in the translation process and anything that you're reading in translation will have been through an additional filter. I've heard that the Portuguese to English translations in this case are pretty dodgy.

That Yvonne Martin sounds a right sticky beak, not surprised they wanted her to back off. Flashing her CRB about- I presume that's what she's referring to!

I know that the McCann's believe that Madeleine was taken from inside the flat .

My point is/was that ppl are crictical of them for this belief and even translate it into them refusing to consider any other possibility .With the implication ( sorry if I'm imagining this ) that there is some ulterior motive behind their stating the belief that this is what happened .

To my mind they considered the theory that she wandered off and they dismissed it .That was their judgement .And they are/were better placed than us to make it .

Why make so much of them believing and continuing to believe that she was abducted ?

I think it’s understandable that the parents didn’t want to speak to a child protection social worker and reacted aggressively. Though YM does say in her statement that she was responding to an appeal on the news for help from any Brits in the area.

Peridito - you’re still side stepping my point. I have no problem with them believing that’s the most likely explanation.

The problem is that they state it as a fact - which it isn’t. No one needs to ‘translate’ what they say into them refusing to consider any other possibility- because they have said categorically that she was abducted from her bed.

I really hope someone can link to the relevant page in KM’s book.

Can I ask, how do we know Madeleine was crying the night before? And asked her mummy why she didn't come? Is that just from KM?

My point is/was that ppl are crictical of them for this belief and even translate it into them refusing to consider any other possibility .With the implication ( sorry if I'm imagining this ) that there is some ulterior motive behind their stating the belief that this is what happened .

I don't think it's that people are critical of them for believing it. I'm certainly not.

The point is that they are not impartial or disinterested players in this, (it's their daughter, their negligent decision contributed to the disappearance, they were concerned about child protection action re. the twins), and yet, they've very much steered the investigation along on the assumption of an abduction (via media, during te PJ's silence, by employing their own investigators, by lobbying, by taking civil action against the media which made the media nervous).

As I've said umpteen times, I fully sympathise with them and understand their natural bias and I don't think they are guilty of any crimes. BUT I do think that their steering of the case (by default, innocently, because of the various special circumstance) has caused certain possibilities not to be looked at, and has influenced the media, the public, and even British investigators.

I agree, myeyes. Three under 4 year olds left alone in an apartment whilst the parents were out of eyeline & earshot? One goes missing? Not a huge surprise that the McCann’s didn’t want the unofficial (as in not sent in by the authorities) CP social worker wading in.

As for whether there is some ulterior motive behind this... well, that’s anyone’s guess isn’t it?

My personal belief is that it’s not because they caused her any harm that they’re trying to cover up. I think it’s likely to be more along the lines of the conflicting issues of being desperate when they realised she was missing, but simultaneously trying to limit damage (not just to themselves but to the whole party.) There are just so many strands to this awful situation. But there are so many inconsistencies and gaps, combined with this unwavering insistence that they know she was taken from her bed...

I think someone in the upstairs holiday apartment reported the children crying, Sass.

Cross post there with Cole, who’s said it much better!