Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

And you see that’s the sticking point for me: that they insist that this one theory must be true, rather than accepting that there are other possibilities. Surely what matters most is uncovering the truth about what happened?

But surely the child would head to the source of noise and light which was the tapas bar not the dark, poorly lit street away from the hotel complex? And I'd imagine she'd walked from the apartment to the complex with her parents so would be vaguely familiar with the route?

Either way you look at it something extremely and unlikely has happened.

Either an offender took a colossal risk by entering an apartment to take a child. (Even if they knew there was no adult in there, they had no way of predicting when one would return.)

Or she wandered out to find her parents and met an accident (maybe struck by a car) or an opportunist.

It takes literally seconds to snatch a child. As I say, look at the cases of Etan Patz, Sarah Payne, Mikelle Biggs, Genette Tate, April Jones...There are so many cases where a split second opportunity was grabbed by an opportunist offender. In all of those cases, all that it took was a briefly unsupervised child and an evil person happening across them.

And presumably all the children’s fingerprints would have been on glass, doors and numerous places within the apartment !!

well yeah ,good point !
I wonder if they did find them but just dismissed them as what they'd expect to find ?

And how many people had been in and out of the patio door and the gate in the 12-24 hours before fingerprinting was done. (Did they even fingerprint the patio doors at all?)

RedHelen "Ben Needham wandered off and met with an accident. There was a lot of talk about kidnappers then too."

No, the conclusion is that that is the most likely scenario, but it hasn't been proved or disproved, so isn't a fact.

Why would an abductors need to open a window when the easiest route out was an unlocked door?

"Hello I'm taking you to mummy" and off you go hand in hand nothing suspicious at all.

I completely think that Madeleine could have easily have got out of the apartment by herself.

When I was 3 years old and on holiday in chalet type accomodation next to the beach (we're talking the 70s here) there was a bolt across the external wooden door. One afternoon it was raining hard but a very determined three year old me wanted to play on the sand outside the chalet in the rain. My parents watched with great amusement as I worked the bolt for half an hour and eventually managed to slide it back and open the door. My reward was they let me play in the rain for my determined efforts and the story went into family folklore... so I really wouldn't underestimate what a 3 to 4 year old could do when left to their own devices... especially one so confident they don't think twice about jumping from a boat.

But Kate who is the childs mother and y'know probably in a better position than us to understand what her child might have and might not have done ,thinks her child wouldn't have opened the pation doors and wandered off .

Using phrases like "they insist" "rather than accepting " is so accusatory .

Is there a direct quote somewhere where the McCanns "insist" that there are no other possibilties .?

It seems to me that too much importance /suspicion is attached to the McCanns believing that their daughter was taken . AFAIK they have considered the other possibilty of her wandering off but decided it was unlikely.

In any case searches were carried out locally with no evidence found of her wandering off and falling into something or meeting an accident .

So if she did wander off and was abducted while doing so the investigation/procedure would be the same .
Same as if she were taken from inside the flat .
So what would be the point of the McCanns considering something other than abduction ?

If she was abducted, I'd suspect two people did it, and one handed her to the other through the window. I can't think why else it would be open and have never heard any alternative explanation.

I don't think it's impossible she wandered off or was abducted outside of the apartment I jut find it less likely the abduction theory. Cuddle cat was moved out of reach when Madeleine always slept with it. Anyone who has a child with a favourite teddy knows you never forget to tuck them in with their teddy. The window was open when the McCanns left it closed and Kate's instinct. Her mind immediately jumped to "they've taken her." If I walked into a room my child was supposed to be in and she'd gone my first thought would be what the fuck has she gone and done now? I'd expect to find her at the nearest puddle in her swimming costume and wellies. Abduction would be the last thought on my mind.

Its true the window doesn't fit the "wandered off" theory but whatever hypothesis you look at, there's at least one "fact" that doesn't fit. Some of the "facts" must be red herrings, or else there's no solution at all.

Wasn't the state of the window the first thing that was multiply disputed?

Ben Needham was not in sight of people passing by though iirc.

‘what would be the likelihood of her wandering out of the apartment and never being seen again, no sighting of a small girl in her pjs on her own from anyone, nothing at all.’

Yet someone climbing out of a window with a young child, or passing them to through to someone on the street would go unnoticed?!

See, this is the problem with trying to draw any definitive conclusion! It’s easy to dismiss any theory you don’t want to consider without exposing the holes in your own theory!

I don't think the window being open was disputed, itwas the shutters being forced from the outside. But you're right, none of the explanations for all the facts.

But Kate who is the childs mother and y'know probably in a better position than us to understand what her child might have and might not have done ,thinks her child wouldn't have opened the pation doors and wandered off .
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Using phrases like "they insist" "rather than accepting " is so accusatory .*

I don't mean it to sound accusatory. It's just that I know myself there have been occasions when I have underestimated what my children could do. Especially in terms of what they could reach, lift, operate etc. I think most parents have had that experience.

Plus, of course, the abduction theory is bound to be more compelling to the parents, as it means their mistake in leaving the children is a bit less operative in what happened. That's entirely understandable.

Is there a direct quote somewhere where the McCanns "insist" that there are no other possibilties .?

I think so. I'll try to find a link.

The gaspar statement is completely off limits - no one in the media will ever mention it

See, this is the problem with trying to draw any definitive conclusion! It’s easy to dismiss any theory you don’t want to consider without exposing the holes in your own theory!

Exactly.

Also The gaspar statement was originally withheld from the PJ

Yet someone climbing out of a window with a young child, or passing them to through to someone on the street would go unnoticed?!

There could have been a car waiting for them to get away, she could have been put in a holdhall or rucksack even. I just think if she had been alone the outcome of her disappearaning would have been less likely than that or her being abducted.

metro.co.uk/2018/11/27/madeleine-mccanns-parents-reject-theory-that-she-wandered-off-looking-for-them-8184086/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6429815/Gerry-Kate-McCann-slam-claims-Madeleine-walked-aparment-says-kidnapped.html

Using phrases like "they insist" "rather than accepting " is so accusatory .

Is there a direct quote somewhere where the McCanns "insist" that there are no other possibilties .?

Yes- KM states this categorically in her book. Ive read but don’t own the book (honest- not just avoiding posting a link!) but I remember actually being surprised at how absolutely insistent she was. I could understand if she wrote ‘this is what we believe happened...’ but she states that they absolutely know she was abducted from her bed.

Hopefully someone who has the book can show this

AlecTrevelyan006

The gaspar statement is completely off limits - no one in the media will ever mention it

Tbh I’ve only just seen this statement myself this last week and am surprised at why there’s not much said about it.

Is there a place with the original police interviews in Portuguese ? ( Not translations).

Wow this thread is still going I thought it would have been pulled straightaway. It has not been pulled from Digital Spy either.

I have not watched the documentary, it is just too upsetting I would imagine and is only a perceived point of view.

A few months after her disappearance we were in Gran Canaria at a similar resort. I was the one sitting in the playground full of children which backed onto a main road with a gate at night whilst other parents were eating getting bladdered in the restaurant bar below me.

I can understand after that how easy it was for anyone to take a child.

Great duck- you might also be interested in the statement given to the PJ by English social worker Yvonne Martin who was on holiday in Portugal at the same time