Lassies of Fraser's Ridge - Outlander Season 4, there's spoilers in them thar hills.

[Lessstressedhemum]

A new adventure awaits us in the New World. It's going to be savage!

the next episode will be on Easter Monday

Thank the Lord. I thought it might have ended with Roger being hanged/not being hanged.

But Murtagh......noooooooooooo!

Thanks both!

I haven't finished the episode yet, but I had to come on to post that I absolutely hated the silent pictures thing.

I really liked this episode and the connection between Ian and Roger.

I hated the silent picture thing too.
The whole thing is starting to bore me to tears now.

Why didn’t they elaborate on Ian’s ‘loss’ ?

I loved the silent picture thing. I thought it really conveyed Roger's PTSD well and showed how he was kind of locked inside his own head.

In the books it takes Iain a really long time to talk about what happened with Emily and the babies. I expect that they will expire that later on.
I thought the scenes with Iain and Roger were very powerful. They both did a brilliant job this episode. Sophie Skelton was much better as well. A lot less wooden, I thought.

I really enjoyed it. The last two episodes have been ,for me, two of the strongest ones for ages. It was another rollercoaster ride of emotion today.

I'm really enjoying it. I have PTSD and it's portrayed really well in this episode.

Ian's tragedy doesn't come out until later in the books, I'm assuming it's the same in the series.

I liked how Roger is treated more sympathetically in the programme than the books. In the books everyone just seems to find him irritating, wandering around in silence with a black scar across his neck.

They hinted and hinted about Isobel and Emily though. I didn't like the silent picture thing in the opening but it made perfect sense when used as a flashback. And yes, it was more sympathetic to Roger than the whiny Roger in the books but DG always did Roger dirty in the books

Good interactions between Ian and Roger. The rest was so dull. I've had PTSD so truly empathise with what they were aiming for but the black and white footage was really off putting. A bit 'artsy' and didn't work. What a come down after such a fantastic previous episode.

508 is my least favourite episode this season. I think they should have shown the immediate aftermath of the battle and Roger's hanging not 3 months later, the actors would have shown off their abilities better. Weirdly I think Bree has more chemistry with Lord John than Roger.

I really enjoyed this episode, actually. I also like the fact that both Roger (and Bree) are more sympathetic on screen. I really liked the interaction between Ian and Roger. I presume Ian will take a while to open up, as it's taken Roger three months. I liked the silent film clips I thought it looked well.

It seems a shame we don't see more of the Indians/Native Americans in this Season.

There's hints the end of the Season will be traumatic. I think they're moving forward part of a Breath of Snow and Ashes .

You are right about the hints from ABOSAA. In a recent interview Sam said his favourite sentence this season is "kill them all".

shartsi, I hadn't read that, but CB has done an interview saying that there were "disturbing" scenes for her character at the end of the Season.

I was so hoping we could skip that story line. It's just so grim

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about (and spoilers are allowed on this thread), I'm never sure if I remembered it correctly, but doesn't Claire feel some sympathy for one of them? I hated, hated, hated the whole scene.

Am sort of looking forward to the bohdran drums though. I remember thinking finally! Where the hell have you been!

I came across this deleted scene between Jamie and Murtagh from season 1 Ep9 on youtube yesterday which I have never seen before so thought some of you might not have seen it either and dont remember it from the books - it's quite funny and sad and I have no idea why it was cut - seems to be quite a pivotal bit of discussion

Lessstressed I agree. I love Outlander and all the emotional ups and downs but agree with critics who say that it relies on rape as a way to move the action forward too much. There's plenty of other dangers in the Colonies, surely.

I'm not sure sympathy is quite the right word, "traviis*, but she definitely has some kind of empathy going on with the guy who calls her Martha. I think it was just shock talking, though.
And as for Donner, I actually despise him. I'm really hoping that he doesn't exist in TV land.
Diana gabaldon is obsessed with rape. Jamie's rape was essential to the story and to the development of his character, but the rest not so much. She even had wee Fergus raped, for goodness sake. I'm sure she could have come up with some other device to make Jamie break his promise to Claire. Having Claire raped adds nothing to the story or to her character growth. And I'm sure she could have done plenty with the Bonnet story line without having Brianna actually raped by him. It's hideous and I say that as someone who has read the books many times and loves Outlander more than is healthy.

Jamie's rape at the end of Season 1, certainly is pivotal to the story and his character. The rest is just gratuitous and grim. I think it's just as well that the characters of Jamie and Claire and their relationship are well written, as certain other aspects are plot devices (clumsy ones at that) to remind us how dangerous the 1700s were.

I think the only characters she actually likes are Jamie and Claire. She has it so much effort into developing Jamie that it's as if she has nothing left for any of her other characters because none of them really grow at all.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks the above about the use of rape in these novels. I once shared that opinion in a pre-FB North American fan website and was handed my arse on a plate.

I agree. There is a definite overuse of rape. I have tried to think of all of them. Jamie, Claire, Fergus, Briana, Young Ian, maybe Jenny, hinted at Laoghaire. Have I missed anyone?

That was brave Traviis . I think there are some fans, in the true sense of fanatics, who won't have anything bad said against the books. The good parts are excellent and make for very immersive reading. The bad bits desperately could do with a firm edit.

Spoilers here. Diana Gabaldon writes so much details sometimes for example the gathering which was hundreds of pages. However when it came to Lord John's marriage to Claire, she wrote so little, yet it was such a big thing.