Butterfly ITV

[Melamin]

Anyone daring to watch?

(Did it really have a mermaid in it?)

If you cannot understand where billions of women are coming from, then you're equally not worth bothering about.

Don’t tell me - you get smear tests 😁

Jane no offense but I cant make it through your posts.

Im actually hurting with laughter at the claim hormones have changed your DNA.

Lets be serious, because youre talking to adults here Jane. We dont accept gaslighting. Biologically your sex is male, always has and always will be.

I really dont care what certificate you hold.
Grown males, fathers, have no place in changing rooms or toilets with our daughters.

Understand?

No, not facts but comments of hate and bias that you also believe in and want to bang over my head!!

Don’t be silly.

Jane which comments have been hateful? And I think a little bias is expected in a debate - much like yours towards transpeople

And I am a bit worried that you've been given such wrong advice, I hope not by medical professionals, you cannot alter your DNA to read female and you don't need a gynaecologist. I'm not saying this to be hurtful but reading your posts, you come across as vulnerable and a little naive

I think a healthy person comparing themselves to infertile women and a disabled child is quite hateful and offensive.

Well quite @Hyppolyta but it seems women are fair game for receiving hate doesn't it

jane

I honestly don't know where to start your posts. I probably wouldn't bother, but there are very many transwomen who say the same as you.

It's not healthy, seriously.

The specialist has not confirmed that you have a female brain, and hormones will not change your DNA. A gynaecologist will be a specialist in women's gynaecological health. Including, but not limited to, contraception, gestation, menstruation, postpartum issues, ovarian cysts, pelvic pain, endometriosis, uterine fibroids, pcos, etc. I can promise you, they can tell the difference.

You should know that this site comprises 12 million unique users per month. Many of whom are scientists, endocrinologists, biologists, geneticists, physicists, midwives, surgeons and gynaecologists.

Or did you think that was made up of second-class citizens?

Blanchards typology, describes late transitioning males who fetishise women and womanhood, becoming jealous of female biology.

Many ostensibly reject toxic masculinity, whilst displaying male socialisation and entitlement by attempting to force women to collude in a lie for their own validation

Your opinion of the programme Butterfly is, in my opinion, biased.

And complaining that women aren't being nice enough isn't any kind of argument.

I've seen a lot of TW be shocked and horrified that women don't 100% champion them and question their status as women - aka not being "nice". I think this speaks volumes as to the difference between male and female socialisation. Women are socialised to be in awe of men, enable them, support them and fawn over them. Men are socialised to expect to this unfailingly, and it knocks them for six when women are "unladylike" and refuse to comply when it comes to their safety and privacy. And then it all "awful women" - but I bet my bottom dollar that the harassment TW no doubt experience IRL comes from men, not women. Yet women are the ones who have the police called on them, with their easy target status and their non-fawning words.

but I bet my bottom dollar that the harassment TW no doubt experience IRL comes from men, not women. Yet women are the ones who have the police called on them,

Because it's not about 'acting like a woman', it's about controlling women. How they can't define themselves, or what they are, and aren't, allowed to talk about, and how they cannot have spaces to themselves.

If you have a GRC, that means you are in the UK, yes? So what precisely has your NHS GP referred you to a gynaecologist for? 🤔

Women don’t just see them willy nilly - there has to be a gynaecological health problem.

Oh and I’m one of the “scientists, endocrinologists, biologists, geneticists, physicists, midwives, surgeons and gynaecologists“, consider that before you answer.

It took me two years to see my gynae consultant and then another three to wait for my “essential” op. If biological males are taking up those referrals then I’m, well, speechless.

Thank you MN for deleting those posts

Hi Jane, I am sorry to hear of your difficulties but as a woman who has several very late miscarriages I find your posts offensive. I am a total lurker on Mumsnet but I have been here from 2006. Seriously how can you conflate your jealousy of not giving birth to infertility. I find that offensive. Even my lovely and wonderful husband has not been though what I have been through. Did he sign the cremation paperwork? No, I did. Do you know why? It was unbearable what we went though and as a woman it was a serious hell due to the social expectations of being a woman. Stupid, incapable of having a child. Did he have surgery? No I did . Did he nearly die of sepsis - no I did. You have 3 lovely children. I would love to hear your wife's side of this story. I am sure that no one has said anything in toilets - we are socialised to be nice - but we notice. Report me - for saying that your chromosomes are not the same as mine.

Pixar. I'm sorry first for your losses, but I'm also sorry that you have to read crap like a father comparing his womb envy with your infertility. Unbelievably insensitive

I agree Pixar and I'm so sorry for your losses.

The callous ease with which some transwomen come on here comparing themselves with infertile women is breathtaking. This isn't the first time. It's clearly a fairly common narrative.

Its evident to anyone who reads it that this craving to be female has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of affinity for, or understanding of, actual women.

On a bloody site, largely populated by women. Fucking unbelievable.

PixarMastermind

I used to be very broad minded - live and let live. Thanks to Mumsnet- no more!
I get the wrong body issue - I truly do. I was severely anorexic and hated myself . Yet I was sent to a psychiatric hospital to get well. And yet now we suggest surgery as a "cure".
I am convinced that if trans had been prevalent in the '90's this would have been me.From my ancient standpoint my illness was about control due to a terrible childhood. I am very frightened for children today.
Jane I don't understand why truth is hated rather than reality- as uncomfortable as that my be. Please do not co-opt infertility- I swear I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

I agree Pixar sorry you've had to read this drivel.

Thanks for the  not sure why I have lurked for so long!! 😁😁😁
After many years I got my lovely dd but when I hated myself, again the lovely ladies on the one child board got me through (although they don't know it) when I was suicidal and losing more babies my dd would be okay.
But this is why I am angry - my story is many women's story - it is my nan who lost her son - my auntie who lost her dd and had no more - my mum who lost 3. Our stories - women's stories- women who were not believed by medics- not your story Jane. Sorry but you are not welcome in my space but I will fight for a 3rd space - compromise not hatred. Happy to be quoted on that if you are reporting us.