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Melamin · 14/10/2018 21:20

Anyone daring to watch? Glitterball

(Did it really have a mermaid in it?)

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Datun · 10/11/2018 14:43

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

Awwww.

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 18:00

PerverseConverse :
"How old are you Jane?"

LOL A woman never reveals her age!! Well, let's say I am over 65 years of age.

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 18:06

Datun :
Some on here are not convinced, and probably will never be, but I am a women screaming to get out,

"It might help if you could describe what, exactly, makes you know you're a woman? In your head. The actual thoughts."

That would be far too complex for pages of posts, and would upset me too much after! But, let me ask you, what makes you feel that you are a women not really a man?

Think carefully. Let's put the answer in a very simplistic way. Your female brain is engaged with your female body with perfectly standard thoughts of a woman. With me my brain is female and expects my body to be.

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 18:09

PencilsInSpace :
"I think you are referring to Croft v Royal Mail?
The case was an appeal against an employment tribunal decision that a TW had not been constructively dismissed on the grounds of sex discrimination. It was in 2003, so predates both the GRA and the EA."

No, it was a case way after that which made me sit up and listen and thank God I possessed a GRC.

Datun · 10/11/2018 18:10

That would be far too complex for pages of posts, and would upset me too much after! But, let me ask you, what makes you feel that you are a women not really a man?

I don't feel it. I know it, because its material reality demonstrated by science. I don't think like a woman, because there's no such thing. I think like me.

If, tomorrow, my brain woke up in a man's body, I would be a man.

This forum is infinite. You have every single word in the English language at your disposal.

Just give me the top, say three things that you know you're a woman. Let's make it easier, just give me one example.

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 18:13

EmpressAdultHumanFemale:
It affects me by my constant need to be visually as female as possible; my hair and make up MUST be as perfect as I can get it as I fear that someone will clock my 'differences' with other women and I could come under physical and psychological attack

"Stripping off in communal women's changing rooms must be very uncomfortable then?"

No. That is the strange thing as then I am proving to the world (that is anyone watching) I have all the 'bits' of any women, and there I can also appreciate woman come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances, with me even looking better than some of them do! It is strangely therapeutic.

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 18:18

Hyppolyta:
"Jane you using a female space would lead to other women being excluded.
I wouldnt use a female space if a male was in there. Many women wouldnt.
But you are correct in saying we wont give up, why should we give up defending our own spaces?"

But I wouldn't use a female space if a male was in there, as I am FEMALE in everyway on the outside, and inside as much as possible, and no one has EVER challenged that.

Please refrain from calling me a "Man"; I am not and to suggest anything else is illegal. How many more times do I have to quote the legal fact of law in the UK, and the EU?

It is insulting and hateful, but you know that.

Hyppolyta · 10/11/2018 18:27

I didnt call you a man.
I called you male and will continue to call you biologically male. Thats true, regardless of how offensive you find it.

If I emcountered you in a bathroom, if have no idea what certificates you have or what you have done with your penis.

All I know is, Thats a male.
Thats a male who goes in female spaces knowing women hate it. Knowing theyve been begged not too.

So you are not just a male. You are a male who has no respect for women, or their boundaries.

When a women says no to you, you dont listen.

Do any females on this thread feel safe sharing a space with Jane?

Datun · 10/11/2018 18:29

No. That is the strange thing as then I am proving to the world (that is anyone watching) I have all the 'bits' of any women, and there I can also appreciate woman come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances, with me even looking better than some of them do! It is strangely therapeutic.

Ugh.

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 18:29

More and more contradictions. You are, you say, a woman, but desperately want to make yourself as much a woman on the inside as you are on the outside. I thought the whole point was that you felt like a woman on the inside and so changed the outside to match the inside?

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 18:31

"No. That is the strange thing as then I am proving to the world (that is anyone watching) I have all the 'bits' of any women, and there I can also appreciate woman come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances, with me even looking better than some of them do! It is strangely therapeutic."

Spoken like a true narcissist.

Datun · 10/11/2018 18:31

jane have you considered that you might be an autogynephile? Do you get aroused over the thought of yourself as a woman? The reason I ask, is it's quite a common condition for male born people who say they are women.

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 18:35

PencilsInSpace:
AS a holder of the GRC I AM officially, legally, fully classed as a "Female", as I am on m,y Birth Certificate" I am therefore entitled to be treated as a female in all respects, including receiving the State Pension at the female 'commencement age, not at 65-67 as for men.
It is illegal for anyone to exclude me from a female space unless it is for the reasons of any other woman being excluded. You are obsessed by toilets, but yes this includes discrimination on stopping me using the female ones of those."

"Section 9(3) of the GRA says that terms and conditions apply. It says your GRC entitles you to be treated as female for all purposes subject to provision made by this Act or any other enactment or any subordinate legislation

Which means there are exceptions. Some are in the GRA itself (sports, inheritance, parenthood) and some are in the EA (single sex exceptions). There is ongoing legal discussion of exactly how much weight to give a GRC when deciding whether it is proportionate and justified to exclude a TW from female only space, however it is not illegal in theory to exclude you"

Not if the women(or man) has the correct genitalia for their legal gender i.e. has undergone full gender reassignment and possess a GRC. It is illegal to exclude me as that would be considered "unreasonable" in law, no matter what sub-sections people quote, and discriminatory as I am physically female.

It is though being discussed that anyone with a GRC, even with the old genitalia still in place, can now be treated legally as their chosen gender. Now that IS controversial, even for me, as I can foresee very real problems with women with penis's in female spaces, or involved in female sport. I have not got all the answers on that.

The question then comes about intersex individuals, but that is another subject, although discrimination can and is evident in that field.

Yes, with men and women now the State Pension age is the same, but I was born in a year that qualifies for the womans old pension qualification.

BeUpStanding · 10/11/2018 18:37

No. That is the strange thing as then I am proving to the world (that is anyone watching) I have all the 'bits' of any women, and there I can also appreciate woman come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances, with me even looking better than some of them do! It is strangely therapeutic.

You disgust me

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 18:38

@Datun I think that's highly likely considering the comments about how amazing they feel when they have sex with a man and how they are basically preening in communal changing rooms plus the time and expense on make up and other "womanly" things to make them more passable.

Every post screams attention seeking narcissist suffering from delusions. The gender dysphoria seems almost a side issue to the obvious mental health problems but has been chosen as a way of expressing the deep hurt and disquiet felt over their childhood and the choices forced upon them.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 18:40

But, let me ask you, what makes you feel that you are a women not really a man?

It would probably be...at this point in time....the bleeding from my vagina

Its really pissing me off...I actually think that my vagina hates me

Everyone else i know is skipping periods at this point in the run up to menapause

Not me though Hmm

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 18:41

Wait...

Is that too much?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 18:44

with me even looking better than some of them do

Ooooh goodness

You should really reread before you post

Seriously, i do try and do that but sometimes its an epic fail...like what you just did

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 18:46

Hyppolyta:
"I didnt call you a man.
I called you male and will continue to call you biologically male. Thats true, regardless of how offensive you find it.
If I emcountered you in a bathroom, if have no idea what certificates you have or what you have done with your penis.
All I know is, Thats a male.
Thats a male who goes in female spaces knowing women hate it. Knowing theyve been begged not too.
So you are not just a male. You are a male who has no respect for women, or their boundaries.
When a women says no to you, you dont listen.

Do any females on this thread feel safe sharing a space with Jane?"

Who is splitting hairs now! Male / Man it means the same thing to most every day humans.

You just want to be offensive, insulting and very transphobic.

You would not know me as being anything but a woman in everyday life, especially with me on a good day! You are assuming so much in your campaign against anyone who is transgender, even if they have gone through all the legal and medical checks and balances, with all the treatment, to change their bodies.

I have every respect for women, as I am one, but before gave women all the respect I could. In business I promoted more women than any other senior manager, but all on merit, when others (men) did not recognise their qualities.

I have been prepared for reasonable discussion on the MN with other women (including others like me I suspect) genuinely interested in the transgender condition, with me giving away too much personal information as a sacrifice to the benefits of knowledge for those who want it. But you are just in a hateful, transphobic mode, and I weill not be replying to any more of your posts.

They are offensive!!

Datun · 10/11/2018 18:48

Not if the women(or man) has the correct genitalia for their legal gender i.e. has undergone full gender reassignment and possess a GRC

jane - surgery has nothing to do with it. Nowhere in any kind of UK legislation is it a condition of anything. But of course, you know that.

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 18:48

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer my reproductive organs hate me too. I have endometriosis and have suffered from daily pain for the past 23 years. Pregnancy aggravated my uterus to start with then it settled.

Apart from the periods/reproductive organ issues then breastfeeding my 3rd and final child is what makes me feel like a woman insofar as I even think of it like that. It's just part of who I am🤷🏼‍♀️

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 18:49

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer:
"with me even looking better than some of them do

Ooooh goodness

You should really reread before you post"

LOL, I know how that sounds, but I really have been pleased to see that we all greatly vary in body shape, and appreciate more of what I have at those times.

Hyppolyta · 10/11/2018 18:51

You can name call all you like. Like many women on here Ive had an abusive ex, Ive lived through those tactics. You wont shut us up that way.

I have used thousands of female chamging rooms and never once had a woman check my body out to compare us.

Who does that? Males.

Am I fuck stripping off so a male to validate himself.

Also, female genitalia is not an inverted cock. An inverted cock is a penis. Thats been inverted. Nothing female about that.

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 18:54

BeUpStanding :
"No. That is the strange thing as then I am proving to the world (that is anyone watching) I have all the 'bits' of any women, and there I can also appreciate woman come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances, with me even looking better than some of them do! It is strangely therapeutic.

You disgust me:"

Why? Every woman I know often compares their size, shape and beauty with other women. Sometimes I do have a better shape than other women. It is a fact.

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 18:55

Jane, you might look like a woman, say you are a woman etc, but you can't hide your male socialisation. It comes out loud and clear in every post. You try and adopt a kindly older lady type persona but it's only skin deep and unfortunately most of us here have seen straight through it.

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