Butterfly ITV

[Melamin]

Anyone daring to watch?

(Did it really have a mermaid in it?)

@Janekent3 if you are classed as disabled due to gender dysphoria then how has transitioning worked as surely the whole point of transitioning is to treat and cure the dysphoria? How can you still have gender dysphoria if you say you are a woman and living as a woman? It makes no sense.

Well exactly perverse, if the treatment cures the condition (so your sex is "reassigned" in line with your delusion (medical word, no judgement)) then the disability is cured.

If the metric fuck tonne of medication I take cured my condition, I'd lose all of mine, and my main disabilities are tangible.

Janet, do you agree that not all children who are gender non conforming or experiencing gender-dysphoria, should be “transed”?

jane could you tell us more about the disability allowance? Because it's the first I've heard of it.

Transactivists go to great lengths to maintain there is no disability. Equating it on a par with homosexuality, all the time. And how that used to be considered an 'illness'.

Is it classed as a disability itself? Could you point me to the relevant link?

Or is there a comorbid condition?

Hang on, you get PIP for gender dysphoria, despite the fact that you're now happier than you've ever been? So the NHS has spent a fortune surgically altering your body, providing you with hormones and presumably also giving psychological support... And then the state supports your living costs because you are now disabled?

That makes absolutely no sense, and if it's true it's outrageous

"Wrong / dinosaur / what do you fear"

Just so you know, that's a textbook evasive male approach to women wanting single-sex stuff.

Everything I said above still 100% applies.

But my god, I am that some males apparently get disability allowance for feeling bad about their gender - when actual real life women are killing themselves because of lack of help. Are you kidding me???

If you can get PIP for gender dysphoria which is now not classed as a medical condition, I think that needs to be looked into. When there are some people with physically life limiting illnesses that do not qualify, this seems to be an oversight on the part of the government. Probably from when gender dysphoria used to be considered a medical condition. It needs bringing up to date imo. Just another thing to write to the MP about.

Hang on, you get PIP for gender dysphoria, despite the fact that you're now happier than you've ever been? So the NHS has spent a fortune surgically altering your body, providing you with hormones and presumably also giving psychological support... And then the state supports your living costs because you are now disabled?

And aren't the NHS in the process of being sued for not freezing eggs and sperm? For trans people? Prior to medical transition. Also paid by the NHS. After which, you still qualify for disability allowance based on the condition that you have just been treated for, paid by the NHS?

So taxpayers are paying for freezing eggs and sperm, medical intervention to cure gender dysphoria, and then benefits because it hasn't worked?

I don't believe she gets pip for gender dysphoria.

Pip is based on symptoms stopping you being able to complete normal tasks. How can gender dysphoria stop you making a meal or walking x yards, especially when you've been transitioned.

I think she's talking poop.

Pip is based on symptoms stopping you being able to complete normal tasks.

I didn't know that. Thanks.

My dh had an assessment, it's things like can you get out of a chair, can you make a simple meal. Can you put your socks on.

It's based on symptoms not diagnosis. It's a shit system designed to screw people out of money. There is no way you'd get pip for gender dysphoria. You'd have to have serious mental health problems caused by the dysphoria which stop you functioning.

Jane did mention mental health issues as a "result of being born with their condition" so I gather they have long term mental illness or psychological issues that make them disabled rather than the cured dysphoria?

Exactly so she's not getting pip for gender dysphoria, shes getting pip because she has other mental health problems.

He statements insinuates the you can get pip for gender dysphoria.

Didn't mean to misgender, that was supposed to say her not he, phone auto corrected.

benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system

For anyone interested, the site above has the criteria that a person must meet in order to receive PIP. (Just scroll down, should all be on that page).

I was willing to give Jane a chance to explain, as a woman, what she thinks about women who have no desire to give up their penis, because they also want to be a man - when it suits them. Yet insist on accessing spaces specifically for people without a penis and campaigning for natal women to no longer be called women. My question has not been answered.

I have read the latest post updates and got to the part where Jane gets disability allowance for her "condition". What condition? Is being a woman classed as disabled now?

Fucking Hell ladies let's get our disibility claims in.....

Do you get free sanitary protection as well Jane?

FissionChips I've read that link (thank you) and can't see anything in it that would cover gender dysphoria so how on earth does gender dysphoria get someone pip?? I'm struggling to see how psychological conditions would come under that enough to score significantly too but I do know someone with BPD and severe anxiety who gets it.

My guess would be that it would be comorbid conditions that qualify rather than the dysphoria itself - being a bit of a pip know-it-all - things like agoraphobia or depression, or maybe any side effects (incontinence is a fairly common one) from botched ops

Jane answering would probably be more helpful than me speculating though!

BeyondVicious yes it would, but I've noticed Jane will only answer questions that either won't flag up what they are saying as rubbish or will only answer in such a way that no answer is actually given. I've asked a few questions and received either no answer or non-answers. I'm actually interested in hearing from Jane and learning about all this from another perspective but Jane isn't willing (or able) to answer many of the questions on here and just tends to jump up and down shouting that they are a woman. Seems typical shut down the women discourse to me.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer thank you. I am sometimes a coward, part of the bad side of people pleasing?

Ok so none of this makes any sense.
So Jane gets disability allowances but then mentions working?
And dysphoria is not resolved by transition?

PIP is not an out of work benefit.

All this rubbish (and suing later on) will bring down the NHS

Janekent3 "As Italiangreyhound, a women who is prepared to listen and wants to find out more which I applaud, has stated no matter how much personal information I impart it will never be enough to counter the obvious transphobia that exists on Mumsnet."

I didn't mention transphobia.

What I said and what I would really like to convey, is that people do not have to believe you or agree with you on Mumsnet. BUT that doesn't actually matter. Because you get to tell your side of the story and people will read it. They will see what you say and how you say it. Jane, some will agree with your take on things, some not. But you can't expect people to always agree.

Can I give an example? I'm a Christian. I used to post on the religion boards here but to be honest it was quite stressful and I just gave up! But if and when I did I would always say that for me religion has been a super positive part of my life, a free choice of mine, as an adult and I've benefited from it.

Other posters might have had very different experiences and where as they cannot alter my experience they can choose not to agree it is true (for them) or true (in general) or even true (for me!)

So we cannot get others to agree with us necessarily on Mumsnet. But we can tell our story without being censored (as long as we stay within Mumsnet talk Guidelines).

I really hope that makes sense and conveys what I want it to convey.