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Melamin · 14/10/2018 21:20

Anyone daring to watch? Glitterball

(Did it really have a mermaid in it?)

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PerverseConverse · 08/11/2018 17:40

I think you'll find that disabled toilets are for those who are disabled, not for those who just don't want to use the women's or men's. Disabled people fought long and hard for those facilities and they are not there to be abused by those without disabilities. Can you show me the legislation for disabled facilities being used by transgender people please?

PerverseConverse · 08/11/2018 17:41

I'm glad you say you are happy with living as a woman, but what does "living as a woman" mean?

Datun · 08/11/2018 17:42

It really is extraordinary how many transwomen come from military backgrounds. That's not a snide remark, it's genuine.

And, anecdotally, it's very often the male parent, the father, who is aggressively rigid in their gendered thinking. No son of mine... type of thing.

Jane you must know that women, particularly gender critical women, don't buy the narrative you're selling. The most effeminate/feminine male is still male. And society needs to accept that. (And parents).

We need to get away from classing traits and behaviours as innately male or female. If they are displayed by a man, they are male. Same with women.

It also appears, to me, that anyone with an ounce of perception, can read between your lines to see a different narrative. Whether you deliberately obscure or just can't help it, is not a question that can be answered on an Internet forum.

I don't wish ill for you or any tranwoman. You are evidently as much a product of patriarchy as anyone else.

But I am a gender critical feminist. Women are uniquely defined by their chromosomes, resulting in sex characteristics. They are oppressed on that basis.

No-one gets to redefine that. If you don't see sex, you can't see sexism.

Datun · 08/11/2018 17:46

Yes, already there are disabled toilets which can be used by people of any gender or anything else. The law expects anyone who has not completed gender reassignment to use them.

What!

Disabled toilets are for disabled people. Someone who is not disabled should never use them.

BeyondVicious · 08/11/2018 17:47

I guess (if I'm feeling generous!) sex dysphoria is a disability, which would give them the right to use the accessible toilets. That only counts if you consider it a mental illness though, really, which I I thought we were trying to move away from?

And it would then count even after surgery and a GRC, as you still have the same 'disability'. So I guess you can only think it is an acceptable solution if you agree that all dysphoric trans people should use the disabled toilets, if their disability prevents them using those of their sex?

Italiangreyhound · 08/11/2018 17:48

PerverseConverse actually I do not know of a law stating you can't use an accessible toilet if you are not disabled.
Found s quote, can not link but ...
"Accessible toilets are plumbed for disabled use, not plumbed for exclusive use like a disabled car park."

PerverseConverse · 08/11/2018 17:52

@Italiangreyhound i've been googling too but surprised that there aren't more rigid rules around their use. However I think Jane says that the law says that transgender people can use them whereas it seems to be a case of anyone can use them. Transgender people have not been singled out as allowed to use them. That's the way I read it anyway.

BeyondVicious · 08/11/2018 17:55

I think the general ruling is that anyone can use them, but if there are other facilities available and you don't need to use them, then you're a bit of a dick.

BeyondVicious · 08/11/2018 17:56

But yes, afaik the law does not explicitly state that trans people pre-GRC should use them

Datun · 08/11/2018 18:23

Disabled toilets are for somebody with a fucking disability. Not someone who doesn't conform to society's gendered expectations.

They are there for people who cannot line up, can't use a small toilet, need a wheelchair, or have a carer.

If the rules aren't explicit enough, it doesn't mean you're not a huge fucking cunt for using them without that criteria.

Janekent3 · 08/11/2018 18:38

Datun, more unnecessary foul language!!

Gender Dysphoria IS considered to be a disability.

Hyppolyta · 08/11/2018 18:41

Gender dysphoria is not classed as a disability any longer, Jane.

I can see a lot of drawbacks to that, personally, but voicing them got me screamed at for being a bigot.

Mrskeats · 08/11/2018 18:43

Gender dysphoria is a disability is the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever read on here.
And I’ve been on here many years.
Like you can get disability allowances, a blue badge etc?? Come on now,

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 08/11/2018 18:44

Datun, more unnecessary foul language!!

Jane, the lack of a swear filter has always been one of Mumsnet's USPs. I think it's even in one of their straplines.

PerverseConverse · 08/11/2018 18:48

Slapped wrists for you Datun 

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 08/11/2018 19:06

Admittedly things are tamer than they used to be. Does anyone else remember when the Cunting Sainsbury's thread was in Classics?

NopeNi · 08/11/2018 19:12

Dust settled?

You marched in, threw temper tantrums and said you were calling the police when people were factual.

As a father of three you callously compared transwomen and your experiences to infertile woman (you don't have the first, tiniest clue, at all).

You lie about treatments and what doctors have told you (that or you've had grossly incompetent doctors).

You lie that males can become female and accuse us of making you cry because we won't agree.

And now you tell people off for their language and try to police the way women express themselves.

Dust settled? Not even close.

Datun · 08/11/2018 19:14

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Datun · 08/11/2018 19:16

And obviously, Jane, by you, I don't mean you personally.

I'm sure you would never do anything so awful.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 08/11/2018 19:22

Jane would never be such a bollocking wankbadger. Obviously.

Datun · 08/11/2018 19:26

I'm sure you would never do anything so awful

But if you would, I'm sure you won't mind telling the 12 million unique users per month, on this website.

PerverseConverse · 08/11/2018 19:28

Datun I'm sending you wine. My emoticons won't work today for some reason

I think a lot of us have had enough of this fucking shit of being told to move up, let us in, stop being so mean, stop swearing, stop excluding me from your female spaces just because I'm a man, stop this, do that, don't do that, think this, think that, be nice, be kind, be inclusive, stop being transphobic, try to understand the hell I went through etc etc ad nauseum. Fuck off. Just fuck off with all the what about me shite. What about the women and girls who are being thrown under the bus. What about the children who are being groomed into delusions and being mutilated before their brains are developed enough to process what they are agreeing to? Where's our consent? What about us?

And men wonder why women are fucking angry.

Go clutch your pearls Jane. Along with your straws.

BeUpStanding · 08/11/2018 19:33

What the hell was Datun deleted for?! Shock

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 08/11/2018 19:35

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PerverseConverse · 08/11/2018 19:35

Eagerly awaiting my deletion