Strictly Thread 5: Minions versus The Matrix

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Thread 4 almost done....

He has been accused of something. The word "accused" does not mean he has definitely done it though does it?

I don't know whether his girlfriend is telling the truth or not. What if she is not and has set out to cause as much damage to his career as possible? What if he is sacked from Strictly or walks away and once his career and self esteem has been destroyed she says "oh I made it up sorry".

It's not a matter of defending him. He was in the wrong when he snogged Katya but that is all we know that he has done wrong. How can the amount of negative press and tv exposure be right?

The story has been on News at Ten for goodness sake. That is ridiculous. All that's going on just in the UK let alone the world and that makes the news!

Also, as I said before, why is Katya not being torn to shreds? I think it does matter that she is the married one. She has taken vows Seann hasn't

I'm seeing a fair bit of backlash now against the pile on. I think Women's Aid etc getting involved was tacky and irresponsible. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets votes on Saturday, partly for the entertainment value/ drama and partly because people with rail against what they see as a witch-hunt.

I agree that much of the reaction from people who are not involved or affected in any way is completely disproportionate. How can he respond to what his now ex has said? He can't (and shouldn't imo) do so publicly. I don't think a public tweet from her was the best way to deal with things tbh. He and Katya made public statements in order to close things down. Rebecca's tweet really puts the boot in. How are any of us to know the veracity of the content? We certainly don't know what was going on in the context of their relationship, we only have her comments to go on and some of the things he has said in his routines.

'Also, as I said before, why is Katya not being torn to shreds?'

I think because she mentioned her husband in her apology and that she loved him.

Seann didn't apologise to his girlfriend. He may be suffering the consequences of his arrogance (and abuse). It's a fake morality to rescue him from such suffering.

It isn't a case of believing him or defending him I think some people have been caught up in the drama Rebecca Humphries releasedva statemrnt stating she had been left on her birthday he called her a phsyco and mental for thinking they are carrying on behind her back he was lying to her this is no proof of domestic abuse. The behaviour or Katya and Seann is the lowest but lets not get carried away Seann Walsh has dug his own hole. I hope his ex is ok and getting support in this public humiliation because that is what it is she must be mortifyed.

Inkanta, surely we, again, only have the girlfriend's word that Seann didn't apologise to her? I know he didn't mention her in his statement but he may have apologised to her in private.

Katya said "she loved her husband"! Yeah right she does that's why she was snogging Seann wasn't it? If you love and respect someone you don't cheat on them. As I said, she is the married one, she is the one who took vows

Shirley Ballas is on This Morning at 12.15 if anybody wants to watch .

Mydogisthebest -

I see you are hammering out this point on both threads that we only have Rebecca's word for it

I think we know enough though. He should step down.

inkanta I think we know enough
All we know is the snog and the twitter statement from RH, which may or may not be true, in whole or in part. Only the individuals involved actually know the truth at the moment, the rest of us do not.

According to a FB post I have just seen

Dr Ranj and Janette both used BSL saying "glitterball" at top of stairs and then "thank you" in BSL when they were saved

Oh yeah he should totally remove himself from the programme it is the decent thing to do but I don't think he should be sacked for being caught cheating on his girlfriend.
I ve not seen any other couples this year I wonder if the paps were tipped off they were photographed having lunch and then later on snogging as I said it is just grubby. Last year we were all joking about Aj &Molly now we have this seedy hoha

This is not about whether any of us think he should stand down (although I do think he should). It's also not about whether the media response is over the top or not (I think it is in relation to other world events). It's about a proportionate response by the BBC to the allegations of emotional & psychological abuse against someone appearing on one of their flagship primetime programmes. And it IS abuse. She clearly states that it had happened repeatedly and that he was aggressive & called her names. I'll say it again, if this was an allegation of physical abuse, whether you would agree or not, the BBC would undoubtedly chuck him out, and therefore they should apply the same weight to this kind of abuse. And if you honestly think that this kind of behaviour is not abusive, well you need to educate yourselves quite frankly.

I want to believe someone who says they have been the victim of abuse - putting it out in public like that makes it very difficult for him counter. We don't know how she behaved in their relationship.

It is absolutely abuse, if there’s evidence of it! Unfortunately, one person’s word isn’t enough, however much we believe it (and I do).
If any kind of abuse - physical or emotional - had been referred to the police and was being investigated, then absolutely. That person would be asked to leave the show/sacked/recast, etc (as with Ed Westwick) To the best of my knowledge, it hasn’t been.
Equally, we have no idea as to the full picture. Maybe the BBC spoke to Rebecca, maybe she said she wanted to leave it there. The point is we don’t know anything bar the photos and statements, and we cannot presume words, actions, responses, where there are none.
I’m pretty sure that if the BBC did release him without any more than we have to go on right now, then he could make a claim against them. The response needs to be proportionate, and based on fact, not supposition.
We can all make judgements as to the ‘truth’ and his character. Hopefully that will be borne out at the weekend. But the media coverage is disproportionate based on the actual facts, and if they continue dien this route, it could end up making him look a victim, which would be sad as that would cloud what he has actually done wrong.

In my opinion Sean shouldn't leave the BGT but he should have apologised to his now ex about the kiss with Katia. That way the public wouldn't be so much against him. Because he hasn't acknowledged his wrongdoing the public won't vote for him as much as before the incident. There will be Russians voting for Katia and maybe his friends but otherwise he has lost a big team of fans.
The media on the other hand is doing same thing with him what they have been doing to Meghan Markle - a witch-hunt. It's getting out of hand. Some people on MN also get involved into this story a bit too much. It's becoming a bit medieval.

Yes he could appear like the victim in the end with this press coverage and that wouldn't be right.

That would deflect from the truth that he did his woman wrong - on her birthday - with that snog - and didn't say sorry - for all to see. Real humiliation. And he won't step down.

Absolutely Inkanta he is a total shit and Katya is just as bad even if she thought it was a laugh or whatever.

Shirley Ballas refused to comment on it which irked Phil &Holly a tad.

I'm confused at comments like "if he had been accused of (not charged with) physical abuse, the BBC would have undoubtedly got rid of him."
What makes you think that? Is there a precedence for this? You cannot sack anyone over one accusation, regardless of how awful the accusation is.
He sounds like an utter twat, but he hasn't been proved to have done anything except kiss Katya. Is that enough to sack him? I don't think so. It's probably enough to sack Katya, though.

I should have written SCD not BGT.

We're going to need another thread already.

Neil and Katia have become so famous as never before. I hope the papa don't sleep at their doorsteps as they're so desperate at the moment.

Paps not papa

We're going to need another thread already.
Oh yes, Strictly Come Dancing Saga.

MrsJayy Good for Shirley. P+S (more so the producers) must've been fuming

I've really had enough of all this now, I want it to go back to dancing!