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Game of Thrones Season 7, Episode 5 discussion thread ** SPOILERS**

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OlennasWimple · 13/08/2017 21:09

WARNING: HERE BE DRAGONS (probably) AND SPOILERS

THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION OF SEASON 7, EPISODE 5 "EASTWATCH"

Come and discuss the fifth episode in the penultimate series, airing August 14th at 2am UK time! Don't read the thread if you want to avoid finding out what happens in Season 7 but also Seasons 1-6. Only three more episodes to go this season!!

Please avoid discussing leaks and production details for Seasons 7 and 8 but speculate away on what we have learnt from the new episodes and what it might mean for the rest of the Season and the ultimate winner(s) of the Game of Thrones. There is a spoiler thread running here if you want to talk about production leaks and insider information as well

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OlennasWimple · 14/08/2017 22:33

TooExtra - the walk of atonement was for sins including fornication (her relationship with Lancel Lannister), but not including incest. Technically she has never confessed nor been found guilty of this, though it's obviously an open secret now that she is shagging Jaime

I don't recon Theon will ever be up to the demands of kingship, unfortunately. I hope Yara escapes form Euron though

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thefourgp · 14/08/2017 22:33

I agree that the catch a zombie plot is bloody awful. Why did Arya not change to another person when snooping so if seen she would not have been caught out? Why did none of Dany's warriors not dive in after Jamie and pull him out to be her prisoner? There's no way he and bron could have swam that far away under water.

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OlennasWimple · 14/08/2017 22:36

Re the annulment - I wonder whether Lyanna refused to be the second wife in a polygamous marriage? She doesn't seem like the type to take to being number two.

Normally (in RL anyway) annulment needs a technical reason why the marriage should never have happened in the first place (if "not consummated, both parties want out" isn't an option). I don't know what that could be? Presumably Rhaegar made provision to legitimise his two children by Elia before annulling the marriage, given that at least part of his motivation was to have a third, legitimate child.

I wish Aemon had managed to stay alive a bit longer to help make sense of it all!

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HereBeFuckery · 14/08/2017 22:36

Arya won't fall for LF's trick - she'll face change and ask Sansa, although, I'm not sure LF doesn't have a longer game in mind...

I reckon Jorah the Explorer and Tormund are dead now - Jorah did a meaningful thing with Tyrion about 'bring this coin back my friend' which is practically a death sentence in GoT. Plus, spoiler
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Torienne ain't happening from what I read, there's no happy ending for them - which I think means one of them dies.

Cersei is so not pregnant. If she is, she'll be in labour at a crucial moment, it won't be going well and Jaime will strangle her as mercy/at her request as otherwise she'd be captured.

I reckon. Grin

PetyrBaelish · 14/08/2017 22:37

Arya, I totally agree with you about the obvious fan service on this episode, I think I actually grimaced at the 'still rowing' thing - the only thing missing was Davos turning to wink at the camera to properly break the 4th wall.

On the last thread everyone was in agreement that "Dickon will definitely become a major character rahrahrah" but we have all been shown up, which is one good thing to be said for the writing I suppose!

I have tried really hard not to read the leaks, although I have heard a few by accident. ☠️ Those who have, do you regret reading them since they are coming true? Or does it make you feel like a bunch of three eyed ravens?

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OlennasWimple · 14/08/2017 22:37

HolySchmoly - Gendry is a prepper Wink

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ElspethFlashman · 14/08/2017 22:39

This is a show where apparently Sanaa and Tyrions marriage was annulled just cos Littlefinger asked even though they were both on the run from the Crown for plotting to kill the King.

So doubt Rhaegar would have needed much reason.

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OlennasWimple · 14/08/2017 22:42

Petyr - in some ways I wish that I hadn't seen any of the trailers or read any of the obvious "this isn't a leak, oh no, it's completely a theory I came up with all on my own" type blogs and Reddit posts. I sighed when Jaime picked up the lance last episode, for example, because I knew from the trailer that he was going to charge with it, whilst the shock of the NK looking up at the warg raven in this episode was already gone because it was in the first trailer.

So I can't decide whether to go all out and read everything I can find, or whether to try to cocoon myself for the last two mega episodes and try to keep some shocks in store.

I shoudl say that this is the first time I've watched a whole GOT series in real time (I started watching part way through the last series, then binged the back seasons and read the books), so this is new territory for me anyway

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OlennasWimple · 14/08/2017 22:42

Annulled when the marriage hasn't been consummated is very different to annulled when the marriage has produced two children, though, Elspeth

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AryaUnderfoot · 14/08/2017 22:43

PetyrBaelish I don't regret reading the leaks at all. There are things I'd have liked to see this season (Jaime having a meaningful redemption arc being one of them and proper things happening at Winterfell) and I would have been really disappointed waiting around for these things to happen only to be disappointed.

I genuinely believed the leaks were fake because they seemed so awful. Wight Hunt, Greyscale instantaneous cure and Cersei's invincibility shield were the main things.

I hope D&D improve their corporate security next year.

AryaUnderfoot · 14/08/2017 22:45

Surely Rhaegar's children would have become bastards if the marriage was annulled. That makes him even more of an arse.

Targs regularly had plural marriages. I wonder why this never crossed his/her/D&D's mind?

honeyroar · 14/08/2017 22:47

Yes I didn't like the still rowing mention. There are a few little bits this year that have been tacky and slightly broken the magic of GoT. Another one was the Ed Sheeren bit. Keep reality out of it please!

PetyrBaelish · 14/08/2017 22:47

Yeah Herebe that bothered me, LF, supposedly a master of water-tight sneaky planning, rested his extremely risky scheme on the bizarre supposition that Arya and Sansa would never possibly talk to each other about his fucking weird behaviour at any point. My namesake suffered a severe drop in IQ as soon as his GRRM-written plot ended. Hmm

PetyrBaelish · 14/08/2017 22:50

Yes, I suspected that aspect of 'well, at least I'm not disappointed' re. the reading the leaks! Wink

AryaUnderfoot · 14/08/2017 22:50

Sadly, I'm one of those book nerds who was always ahead of the TV series.

I have spent many years swearing at the TV saying 'I'm never watching this shit again' and I always do.

Season 5 was a low point for me. I thin the series hit rock bottom then. Maybe I just have low expectations now.

Knowing what's (supposedly) coming next was always just part of the series for me.

FadedRed · 14/08/2017 22:52

IRT Sam and head of House Tully: the Wall comes down + Wildlings are south of the Wall + all out victory over the Night King and army of the Dead. = No more Nights Watch, so in the "whoever is left alive to live happily ever after" = Sam as head honcho of (the remainder) of House Tully.

FadedRed · 14/08/2017 22:53

TARLY TARLY

PetyrBaelish · 14/08/2017 22:55

That makes sense, I read them but I had to catch up on the TV show! I did find that the TV show influenced which characters I got invested in when reading them, which is probably a shame.

I will be really interested to compare and contrast the next book with what the show writers chose to do.

HereBeFuckery · 14/08/2017 22:56

Petyr but maybe, given LF's thing about seven steps ahead, this is a feint? I just can't see what it's covering though. LF has def declined without GRRM writing him though - as have the others, of course. It's more that GRRM was amazing (is!) at doing LF's long drawn out machinations. It feels like he's being kept at Winterfell because all the show runners know is that he ends up/dies there.

BeyondQueenOfLists · 14/08/2017 22:57

I read all of the books after watching S1, so that (and the last one) was the only one that was a proper surprise for me.

I guess "annulled" doesn't necessarily mean it in the same way we'd use it - it might just be as they don't have a concept of divorce (do they?) yet? So his children may not be disinherited? I guess just having two children wasn't good enough back then (imagining this is real for a second) due to the high death rates, so wanting more might be a legitamate reason to end an existing marriage?

AryaUnderfoot · 14/08/2017 22:58

I miss some of the characters the show has never included.

Val
Arianne
Strong Belwas
Shitmouth

Who can forget Shitmouth. Actually, I think they gave all his lines to the Hound.

HereBeFuckery · 14/08/2017 23:01

Arya I'm only on AFFC, but don't recognise Val or Shitmouth - have I missed or are they still to come?
Ta!

AryaUnderfoot · 14/08/2017 23:06

Val is Dalla's sister (Dalla is pregnant with Mance's baby). She appears in Dance with Dragons.

Shitmouth is one of Gregor Clegane's crew who takes Arya hostage (if I am remembering it correctly). Jaime comes across him again whilst clearing the Riverlands. I think it's at Harrenhal.

He's a pretty pointless character, but he does have a foul mouth.

Puffpaw · 14/08/2017 23:09

Read a bit about the nights king and read this summary (from the books)
He was the 13th Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch who embarked on a 13-year reign of terror that included human sacrifice after falling in love and giving his soul to a woman with white skin and “eyes like the stars.”
I think the woman he loved is melisandre we know she is very old, and I think she is looking for redemption for her role in creating the nights king, which is why she is now as red priestess. I think they will meet again.
I think that is the song of ice and fire, not Jon.

PetyrBaelish · 14/08/2017 23:17

I think that's more likely HereBe! I feel like this season all of the 'clever' characters who were one step ahead and made the GOT world politically exciting are being dropped to make way for the young and sexy ones/cool CGI.

LF, last seen in the books puppet mastering most of the North, relegated to predictable creep, everyone knows he is waiting to be killed.

Varys, master of whispers, relegated to wet-lettuce.

Olenna, after all of that amazing Maergery/Joffrey/Tommen manipulation, dead for nothing.

Having said all of this, I do still get a thrill from watching the episodes each week!