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Game of Thrones Season 7, Episode 4 discussion thread *SPOILERS*

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OlennasWimple · 06/08/2017 22:22

WARNING: HERE BE DRAGONS (probably) AND SPOILERS

THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION OF SEASON 7, EPISODE 4 "THE SPOILS OF WAR"

Come and discuss the fourth episode in the penultimate series, airing August 7th at 2am UK time! Don't read the thread if you want to avoid finding out what happens in Season 7 but also Seasons 1-6. If you have seen the leaked episode, please hold back from commenting on it until after the episode has aired to avoid spoilers for those of us who haven't been able to get a version to work

HBO description of the episode: Daenerys fights back. Jaime faces an unexpected situation. Arya comes home.

Please avoid discussing leaks and production details for Seasons 7 and 8 but speculate away on what we have learnt from the new episodes and what it might mean for the rest of the Season and the ultimate winner(s) of the Game of Thrones

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Kim90 · 08/08/2017 15:21

Best episode of the series so far. But did Jamie die? Hmm

Mustang27 · 08/08/2017 15:22

What did Bran say to LF?

honeyroar · 08/08/2017 15:22

I think that Tyrion was genuinely impressed with Dany when he first met her and became her hand. She listened and learned. And they were all pretty impressed when she first flew off on the dragon. But she's gone a bit "big I am" now with all her wittering on about bending the knee and being rightful queen (earlier on she'd have wanted people to choose her as queen, not be forced). I think Tyrion is a bit torn, and probably hoping Jon can help him talk sense into her too. I also think that Tyrion and Jaime have a lot of similar characteristics (if you take Jaime's evil twin away he'd not really have much of a bad side to him anymore). So I want him fishing out and keeping (plus he's the only one I fancy, although Dickon isn't bad). I'd fallen out with Bronn lately, he'd got a bit grabby and bitchy, but he might have redeemed himself.

Two things made me smile - the "secret cave" that was right under everyone's noses all along (cave of convenience is a great term). And the fact that they made the dragon shooter out of something that can be burned!

(I'm also hoping the dragon is ok, he flew ok, landed well and was alert enough to flame throw at Jaime after being hit, so fingers crossed. I'm probably wrong though! But then how could there be three dragon riders if not??)

OlennasWimple · 08/08/2017 15:26

Bronn and Jaime are both in the water - but Jaime has a gold hand and full plate armour, so is sinking fast...

Bran said "Chaos is a ladder", quoting back to LF something he said to Varys ages and ages ago when LF and Varys were skulking around in Kings Landing. Ie "I've got your number, mate"

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Mustang27 · 08/08/2017 15:27

Omfg!!! GrinGrin Olenna that made my day

StormTreader · 08/08/2017 15:28

Scorpion is a real historical siege weapon, like a big wooden crossbow.

I'd be more concerned that Drogon cant fly now, he landed once shot and the bolt hit him right in the shoulder joint/muscle and was barbed. Shades of what happened to Kal Drogo with the "crippled by infected wound" maybe?

I think Littlefinger will definitely make a move to get close to Arya, hes just seen a new royal blood female player emerge, strong but probably naive, she would be a good candidate for him to push into power so that he can control and manipulate her decisions in secret. Maybe even to marry so he can become King like hes always wanted?

WingMirrorSpider · 08/08/2017 15:35

Re. Jaime sinking a la Jack Dawson, I didn't think of it when I was watching at the time, but someone on Reddit posted this which made me laugh.

WingMirrorSpider · 08/08/2017 15:38

Sorry forgot picture.

Game of Thrones Season 7, Episode 4 discussion thread *SPOILERS*
BeyondQueenOfLists · 08/08/2017 15:42
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Mustang27 · 08/08/2017 15:50

I think Sansa was just surprised by Arya. LF is shitting himself now.

OlennasWimple · 08/08/2017 16:08

The is out now: if you haven't seen them before, be aware that there is a lot of swearing, but it's very funny and has some interesting analysis too (as ever)

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AryaUnderfoot · 08/08/2017 16:37

Wasn't it Tyrion's dagger originally? Or am I mixing up storylines?

Littlefucker certainly implied to Cat that it was Tyrion's dagger - thus she arrested him and took him to the Eyrie for trial.

I don' think it's ever mentioned in the show, but in the books it later transpires that it was Joffrey who sent the assassin after Bran and it was his dagger. I think it's Tyrion that discovers it (but it could be Jaime as my memory is failing with old age).

DoctorStrange · 08/08/2017 17:11

I'm thinking poison on the giant crossbow arrow.

It's canon that dragons are immune to all known(/possibly all) poisons, so no need to worry about that Grin.

DoctorStrange · 08/08/2017 17:11

Also, I'm calling that Littlefinger is dead by end of the episode 6, killed by Arya with the dagger Bran gave her.

honeyroar · 08/08/2017 17:52

Yes I think Littlefinger will be killed with the dagger he gave her. I think Bran knows that dagger will be important... in the right hands.

Hellagoodhair · 08/08/2017 17:54

Amazing episode.
Really short sighted of Dany to burn all the food stores!
Can't wait for Littlefinger to get his come uppance!
I wonder if Sansa is worried she might be on Arya's list Grin

kimchee · 08/08/2017 18:04

Great episode, but some annoying silliness in the battle scene at the end.

The Lannister army gets completely surprised by thousands of Dothraki. You would think that somebody would have worked out the concept of scouts by now. But every major battle scene relies on the surprise appearance of Dothraki / Euron's fleet / Euron's fleet (again) / the Lannister army / Knights of the Vale. Good for drama though I suppose.

I'm always annoyed that the show seems to present the Dothraki as a fearsome army, but in reality, they don't have armour, they only have some ineffective looking swords and bows and it is really difficult to fight on horseback. Whereas the Lannisters are thousands of years ahead of them in weaponry with armour, shields, spears and shield wall tactics. Would probably be an easy win for the Lannisters, were it not for the dragon.

The Dothraki start their charge from too far back and just charge straight at a wall of shields rather than trying to attack the sides, or from behind. Stupid.

Bronn, running to get to the scorpion keeps getting attacked by Dothraki, but once he reaches it, nobody bothers attacking him and he is able to reload and shoot several times. He also turns out to be a miracle marksman with a weapon he has never used before. Bronn is great though.

Jamie charges Daenerys (great idea to start with), but then Bronn materialises out of nowhere to save him. Then Jamie sinks into the depths although he was riding along the shallows on the edge of the water. Must get deep really quickly. Jamie obviously not going to die (yet) as he has plot armour. If it was me, I'd have found some archers and got them to target Dany.

It was great to see how deadly dragons are in battle. As long as you don't think about the details too much.

Best moment in the episode for me was Brans "Chaos is a ladder" to Littlefinger.

Arya now has a Valerian steel dagger, hmmm I wonder what that will be used for.

JAPAB · 08/08/2017 18:52

A bit perplexed how people move vast distances so quickly. Dany sets of and a few scenes later the army is presumably hundreds of miles away.

I suspect Sansa will die at some point. I say that because I have a feeling that their fates are linked to the fates of their wolves.

Mustang27 · 08/08/2017 19:04

This has been a shit day!!! What a shit day!! I love Ozzy man reviews, how did I not know he reviewed GOT Shock.

He was looking for people to rally but they were all burning to death so he thought feck it I'm going to spear this bitch........ oh wait there is a great big fucking dragon maw Hmm. I think he wanted to die tbh, there was a look like oh shit we can't win this before he charged.

MarvellousMonsters · 08/08/2017 19:25

That Ozzy man review is the best thing I've seen in a long time.

I can't add anything. It was breath-holdingly good, I shouted at the telly a few times (don't fly directly towards the big crossbow! Etc) and am getting bored of Dany and her 'bend the knee' crap.

Roll on next episode!

DispatchReady · 08/08/2017 19:31

Kimchee totally agree re battle scenes.

Can I ask: why did they have the Scorpion there? They weren't expecting a dragon were they? Or is that just a standard piece of kit for battles?

Why would LF give Bran that dagger? I don't understand his motivation...

Those who pointed out the shallow/deep water thing - yeh that is a bit daft!

Love Thronecast and I also listen to the History of Westeros podcast which help my little brain figure it all out!

JAPAB · 08/08/2017 20:14

and am getting bored of Dany and her 'bend the knee' crap

From the rumours I have heard, he might be kneeling before her for a different purpose soon enough. Then perhaps she'll stop pestering him.

JAPAB · 08/08/2017 20:16

Why would LF give Bran that dagger? I don't understand his motivation...

He always tried to ingratiate himself with people, though.

Mustang27 · 08/08/2017 20:32

Japab oh ffs il be gutted if that happens!!! This is not 50 shades why do they all have to shag!!!

Well assuming that's what you mean and that's she just can't tie her shoelaces

OlennasWimple · 08/08/2017 20:56

HBO video just out. Amazing what those stunt folk get up to

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