Game of Thrones Season 7, Episode 2 discussion thread

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SPOILERS ALERT

THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION OF SEASON 7, EPISODE 2 "STORMBORN"

Come and discuss the second episode in the penultimate series, airing July 24th at 2am UK time! Don't read the thread if you want to avoid finding out what happens in Season 7 but also Seasons 1-6

HBO description of the episode: "Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) receives an unexpected visitor. Jon (Kit Harington) faces a revolt. Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) plans the conquest of Westeros."

Please avoid discussing leaks and production details for Seasons 7 and 8 but speculate away on what we have learnt from the new episode and what it might mean for the rest of the Season and the ultimate winner(s) of the Game of Thrones

No he hasn't! Boo Hisssssss!

Oh, so now the fleet has been burnt Tyrion's invade Casterly Rock plan is off too? That's that strategy fucked.

Why isn't Cersei's army camped opposite Dragonstone looking menacing? Isn't that what you do when a massive invading force lands on one of your islands? And where's Cersei's navy? There was one (did it get burned at the Battle of Blackwater? I thought Tyrion saved it) - why is it not blockading Dragonstone? Even if it did get destroyed at Blackwater, that was at least 3 years ago and if Euron can build a new fleet in about 5 minutes, the official shipbuilders for Westeros could surely have managed a few armadas.

I thought those Greyjoys were supposed t be shit hot sailors so how come they didn't think about having someone on watch so that they didn't just blunder in to the other fleet with no warning?

How is Tyrion going to get his Unsullied/Dothraki to Casterly Rock.

Don't they still have the other fleet? The one they took from the Slave Maters. Presumably that has already set off given that Grey Worm was getting ready to leave. Mind you that does leave Dragonstone a bit unprotected.

I also have a bad feeling about Arya heading North - even though I cheered when she first set off. It just seems as though the entire time there is a theme of Arya just missing her relatives:

• turning up just too late to be reunited with her mother and Rob (though that was a good thing in the circumstances)

• turning up at the Erie just after her aunt died and Sansa left

• missing Sansa on the road without either of them realising.

I just wonder if she will turn up at Winterfell and something else will have happened which means they are not there.

Why did no one spot Dany approaching? A massive fleet and 3 dragons - did no one notice, or did they see her and decide wisely to just watch from a safe distance? Why was there zero resistance and she was allowed to land safely on Dragonstone?

Arya - I reckon the underground caves/sewers for casterly rock will conveniently lead all the way to the other side of westeros, maybe even all the way to dragonstone. So they can sneak right across under the ground as well as sneaking in underground

I may have also "woofed" at Euron

Woof...

I enjoyed it but it's turning a bit soap opera isn't it?

Melisandre and Tyrion gushing over Jon Snow... And yet she fails to mentions she resurrected him??? He's a hero he saved the wildlings blah blah blah... oh, and he was dead UNTIL I BROUGHT HIM BACK!

And the Prince that was promised 'translation error' was awful.

As ever with this show there is huge disconnect between the North- which feels much more realistic and medieval (despite the Ice Zombies) and the South.

Euron makes me laugh and yeah he took out the awful Dorne harpies but not only does he have a magically-built-in10-seconds super Armada it is also invisible and able to destroy other fleet and burn them without them even noticing.

Seriously that battle was over in 5 mns?
Yara walks up the stairs and she's not even heard the screams and burning ships?
What was in the ale she was drinking??

It's turning into late 24 with the timescale.

I laughed when Euron came down on his ramp going 'raaaarrrrr'. It was quite comedic! Very panto baddie. Had to look away at the greyscale removal bit, yuck!

I have to say Jorah and his puppy dog love bores me to tears.
This was the soap operatic moment.

Sam decides to scrape off the scales (no mention of how he will cure the brain damage caused by the illness) and presto all cured! Jorah will then crawl across Westeros and throw himself at Daenerys' feet in a big love puddle.... yawn.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar in the books Cersei's Master of Ships, a dodgy character called Aurane Waters, has pretty much buggered off with all her fleet and is making alliances elsewhere. The crown is pretty broke and has few forces it could send to Dragonstone. An alliance with an Iron Born fleet would make strategic sense in the short term.

Dany being able to land on Dragonstone in the books makes sense if their is a Tyrell/Targ alliance as the Tyrells have taken Dragonstone from Stannis (albeit in the name of the crown in the loosest sense).

I think that in the race to the finish line that is these last two seasons, a lot of questions are going to remain unanswered.

Tyrion sailing the unsullied all the way around Westeros makes little sense. How long would that take anyway? BeyondDrinks maybe that cave idea would work. Maybe Westeros is like Kefalonia, just on a larger scale. Maybe Dany could give them a lift on her dragons.

Timescales are getting increasingly implausible. I feel I'm watching Pulp Fiction/Westworld/Memento at times and asking 'when did this happen relative to blah blah?'

Greyscale is coming across as being a bit lie a bad case of impetigo in the show.

He had heard it said that there were three good cures for greyscale: axe and sword and cleaver. Hacking off afflicted parts did sometimes stop the spread of the disease, Tyrion knew, but not always. Many a man had sacrificed one arm or foot, only to find the other going grey. Once that happened, hope was gone.

A scrape and polish and a mud-pac aren't going to do it!

Well I suppose it's the "ointment" (one of my least favourite words ever) that's meant to be some closely guarded recipe that stops it coming back.

I took the brain damage thing to be that he had 6 months before it reached his brain if it kept progressing as it did. So I suppose we're supposed to think it goes skin -> bloodstream -> brain but that takes a while and if you halt it at skin level it won't get worse.

.....Look at me, trying to fanwank the absurd!!

Fanwank the absurd awesome.

I could see how that works though remove the flesh then apply ointment (colonels special recipe) and then let it kill what's in the bloodstream. Il believe it, although the love puppy act as it was previously described feels beneath Jorah I hope he grows a set soon.

Fanwank 😂 That's my new favourite word 🤣

Can you imagine Jorah meeting Lyanna? She'd cut him to shreds 😂

Fanwank the absurd - love it!

I love fanwank I have been fanwanking too because I came to the same conclusion re secret special ointment.

Arise Ser Fanwank

Well the greyscale is like Leprosy (leper means scaly) which once was feared and had people isolated in colonies but now can be cured. You would have to be pretty brave to want to get up close and personal with all that pus under the scale and risk catching it. Also Jim Broadbent Maester said the early stages are treatable.

OMG I am a total fanwanker

Had to be done 🤣

Oh I do hope Jorah meets Lyanna!

I had a thought - have we seen Jerome yet this season? I have a feeling we haven't??

(And I don't remember him dying?)

Had to be done

That's made my day.

Mind you, what is absurd is that we're discussing the possibility of treating greyscale whilst casually ignoring the fact that one of the main characters was resurrected from the dead, another survived a funeral pyre and one looks like gollum without her ruby necklace.