Game of Thrones Season 7 - Episode 1

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SPOILERS ALERT

THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION OF SEASON 7, EPISODE 1 "DRAGONSTONE"

Come and discuss the eagerly awaited Season 7 opening episode airing July 17th at 2am UK time! Don't read the thread if you want to avoid spoilers from Season 7 but also Seasons 1-6

HBO description of the episode: Jon (Kit Harington) organizes the defense of the North. Cersei (Lena Headey) tries to even the odds. Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) comes home

Please avoid discussing leaks and production details for Seasons 7 and 8 but speculate away on what we have learnt from the new episode and what it might mean for the rest of the Season and the ultimate winner(s) of the Game of Thrones

I don't think Sansa and tyrion ever formally annulled the marriage but tyrion was assumed to be dead

There isn't a time limit between marriage and consummation, but Tywin made the point to Tywin that he ought to get on and consummate the marriage, even if only once for now, so that it couldn't be put aside. Plus there is the whole southron marriage before the Seven vs a northern marriage before the Old Gods.

Though I liked Lyanna Mormont's take down of the situation, asking Sansa whether she was a Stark, Bolton or Lannister...

Queen Sansa Stark-Lannister-Bolton, first of her name...

Well in the books they are definitely still married. LF didn't even bother suggesting annulment. He assumed Tyrion would conveniently die either before or after a second marriage, he didn't seem too bothered which.

There's been a lot of debate amongst fans as to why they never got an annulment and the general consensus is that the Mad Zealot Jonathan Pryce character would sooner shit on the altar then grant an annulment to two murderers of a King.

And GRRM confirmed that only the Arch Septon could annul a marriage performed by a previous Arch Septon.

Which made the annulment storyline in the show so bizarre. Firstly it only took about a week and Sansa didn't have to have any kind of examination. Secondly it was completely out of character for an Arch Septon who was torturing Margery and her brother for being sinners but was like "yeah sure, where do I sign?" for the people who were on the run for supposedly conspiring to kill Jeffrey together.

Well in the book both Sansa and Tyrion are AWOL and Sansa is due to be married to the heir of the Vale as Alayne (Littlefinger's bastard daughter). The plan is to reveal her as a Stark once the North needs a new warden and name her Queen in the North before anyone realised WTF is happening.

At that point annulment or not things would be set in motion and Tyrion wouldn't be able to claim her.

This whole plot is so far from the book... who knows what might happen.
Although you could see Dany insisting Tyrion gets his bride back to help her conquest of the 7 kingdoms.

Still waiting for the Tormund, Brienne and Jaime bizarre love triangle

i still love the little wave they give each other after the Blackfish dies.

Been re-watching Outlander so confusion with Edmure Frank and Captain Randall now

Oh you lot have made me finally decide to get on with reading the books!

Am I the only person who finds Lyanna Mormont in the show really irritating?

No you aren't. I get it, she's a 12 year old girl blah blah but she's still super annoying

Book are way better. The Dorne storyline is a lot more interesting and potentially rather explosive.
There are also a couple of very crucial characters that have been omitted from the show.

There is a strong underlying sense that things that happened during the Baratheon power grab are crucial to the fate of everyone left behind. The sense of the past and fate is really interesting.

Dany still as boring though...

It's funny as Daenarys was my fave character when I first read the books.
Now, I don't dislike her, I just think 'meh'.
I do like Jon though, but my fave chapters to read were Brans

Dany is not only boring in the books, she is an utterly incompetent ruler. Like Aegon I, she can conquer based on having 3 big f*ck off dragons. She learns very little from her failures - her own personal mantra is 'If I look back I'm lost'. She thinks she's born to rule. She thinks the smallfolk of Westeros can't wait for her to appear with her horde of raping an d pillaging foreign fighters and fire-breathing WMDs. It's not going to end well.

If she ends up on the iron throne, I'm emigrating to Braavos!

Can I come, too please? We can hide and fight the dragons from there.

We will see Edmure in the books in or on the way to Casterly Rock, so we might see him in the show during the battle for Casterly Rock.

I'll come and bring the Hound with me

Maybe Dany will die in the war against the white walkers whilst riding her dragons. At the rate the direwolves have been killed off, I can't imagine all of the dragons will survive.

My prediction is that all the dragons will die by the end of series 8. I think all magic things will die - including white walkers, direworlves and dragons. I think the seasons will return to something 'normal'.

Magic hasn't done Westeros many favours. Dragons, wildfire and unGregor haven't been wonderful for world peace and prosperity.

MyOtherProfile please do! The more the merrier!

Maybe the White Walkers exist because of the dragons and vice versa?
So maybe Dany will finally do a good deed and go down with her dragons in a blaze of glory and save the world?
In the end I could see no Iron Throne and the kingdoms split apart.
Historically the Targaryens have been terrible rulers anyway- theyre conquerors and fight among themselves endlessly so they can just fade away.

The idea of an independent Northern kingdom makes much more sense.

You can't imagine the dragons would be particularly popular during peace time - they've got to eat and don't they just keep growing...?!

I am hoping the direwolves can find a way to continue...

Okay, so what will it be, Bran warging a dragon, or ice zombie ddagon?
Or maybe bran wargong an ice zombie dragon

I don't like Bran. He's annoying and boring. He achieved this in both books and programme.

I'd have liked him to have got stuck in the tree and forgotten about.

This make me very happy too!

I'm just going to pretend I didn't see your comment tizzy

Oh I totally agree with you Tizzy.

Plus, think of all the characters that sacrificed themselves to save him over the years. And now he has stupidly crossed through the wall with the Night King's mark on him which I suspect will break the magic protecting the Wall and bring on the White Walkers to kill everyone else too...

I laughed in the ES scene, when Thomas Turgoose said that his dad was rowing his boat on his own. Surely that was a nod to the fans about Gendry?

Also, I found Arya's training scenes really boring for the last couple of series, so I was pleased that they have borne fruit at last.