Three Girls (BBC 9pm)

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Looking forward to watching this tonight. Feel it might be one to watch with your teenagers..

OhBlissOhJoy one of the men, but she doesn't know which. A child with a Asian father and Caucasian mother can be light skinned.

And all the Daily Fail can take from it is that Maxine Peake does clever accounting : www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4515186/Maxine-Peake-paid-firm-registered-tax-planing-firm.html

Thank you Tizzy. I thought I might have missed something.
It's so hard watching. Those poor girls.

I have goosebumps. The actress who is playing Holly is portraying her really well.

Poor hollie when her baby got taken into care.

Indeed it is still going on. Many police investigations going on looking at foreign men working at hand car washes and takeaways. It is rife and happening under people's noses.

CSE is everywhere. It happens to all kids of all colours shapes and sizes by perpetrators of all nationalities. Kids who are most vulnerable tend to be from deprived backgrounds, have learning disabilities, are deaf or are in care. It is going on in every town and every city right now. Girls from Eastern Europe and Vietnam are trafficked into this country for sex, and are raped repeatedly.

And it has been going on for decades. Im a social worker and a colleague who is very old school worked in residential homes in the 70s and 80s. Girls used to be picked up regularly by 'well established men in the community' for sex. Lawyers, local councillors, businessmen. And the residential workers would report it but nobody would listen. Those girls were written off as slags - as worthless.

Our social services and police teams are better equipped to deal with it. But the numbers are not slowing.

I found that harder to watch than last night's. The disdain the police STILL showed for Amber after they had let her down once already. The girls as just collateral damage. Who's going to believe a damaged girl?

And 9 cross-examinations?! Is that really what happened? How can that even begin to be considered reasonable for a victim of horrific crime?

We still use pejorative language which is a huge barrier. Even on here, you see people saying "child pornography" when it's patently obviously that children cannot consent, so it's child abuse images. The same with "child prostitution" which makes me shudder. I felt quite sick hearing them call Amber a "madam".

It's just awful that this happens still. These men are animals, truly. My DD is 14 so the same age as the girls, I can't even imagine...

It's boys too btw. Vulnerable young boys.

"just the women" How the survivors of Saviles abuse were described in a certain news programme.

And that was in 2012.

I remember reading in The Times coverage in 2011 of one girl of 14 that these pigs had 15 men a night from their community paying to rape her.
Like you I have a 14 yr old daughter safe upstairs in bed and cant begin to imagine what it does to the mind of those poor children or how they will begin to rebuild their lives.

If they're traumatised and broken by it, then they're not credible witnesses.If they're holding it all together, they're liars.

Childrenofthestones - thank you for posting that staggeringly long list. What's the blog/website called please?

Tonight's was so much worse than last nights. I didn't realise Amber and Ruby were sisters before. I found the scenes with Ruby really hard to watch, especially when she said she'd get passed around

How can they rebuild their lives? They can't. It's sickening. Wish there was something I could do.

I'm finding it very harrowing to watch too but agree with a pp that I find it difficult when people say they can't watch for that reason. Unless it's retraumatising for you, at least the programme ends for us. For these girls it never ends :(

I used to work with looked after children and it is well known as a problem - but not one with an easy solution sadly. Arrest the men and more replace them. We need to address the systemic and endemic reasons for why these girls are vulnerable in the first place, and why the system fails them again and again.

And further cuts to public services will only make things worse

We also need to address why these men are doing this? Educate them when they are young boys.

To the people deflecting and bringing up Saville etc, this thread is about the cases involved with the Asian grooming gang cases and the programme on them.
It was deflecting and whataboutery like this whenever anybody brought these cases up that helped them to go unchallenged for so long.
There is nothing stopping you from starting a thread on Saville.
I wonder how it would go if I then posted " yes Saville was bad but thousands of Pakistani men do this as well you know"?

This programme has actually reminded me of when I was 18 and moved away to Uni. The first night I took a taxi with a group of girls into town. The white taxi driver dopped ud off and aware we were already well on the way to being drunk and in a strange new city told us to be careful and said 'particularly of the asian men they use white girls because they think they are all sluts' At the time I thought he was being incredibly racist and obviously it is racist to label all people of a certain race as behaving in the same way but this programme has made me wonder if as a taxi driver he knew a little of what certain groups get up to.

Jiggleytuff
As I said I unfortunately didn't save the Blog and just C&P'd the list.

Tonight's episode upset me so much when they took her baby away. Does anyone know if she ever got her back?

I remember going to discos and clubs, and the Asian men there were always trying their luck, probably because they did indeed think that white women and girls were easy, they could try it on with us, in the way they most certainly could not with women of their own race or religion.

You can find 'the blog's by googling parts of the text Childrenofthestones posted.

It leads to an English Defence League site.