Line of Duty new series

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Starts Sunday 26th March, 9pm BBC1

I can't wait!

Just that really

This is from ages ago, but thank you EllaHen for the Methadone Mick nudge. Love Still Game. Even as an Englishwoman

I think that Steve has got a bit carried away by all the information coming from Steve that suggests that Roz is corrupt, without stopping to think that it's all coming from one source, who may have a grudge against her or his own reasons for trying to influence things.

Sorry, that should read information coming from Tim

I wondered when Tim was showing Steve the foot biometrics whether he had actually fabricated the

....evidence?

I think the only thing Ros was guilty of initially was only looking at the evidence that fitted her theory (eg ignoring what Tim was trying to tell her, ignoring Michael's alibi etc). I think it was one of those tropes in TV copland (& in real life, hence miscarriages of justice) where the genuinely believe the guy did it, so a little massaging of the facts won't do any harm...

I also don't think she killed Tim, but that he probably cut himself with the saw out of shock after she opened her eyes. If she did push him off and the saw cut him as a result I still think it was an accident. Up to that point she's not particularly bad.

However... She decided to cover up a death, mutilated a body, has tampered with physical evidence more than once now and is clearly now in it up to her neck. She's completely done for so she literally has nothing to lose by going deeper and deeper.

I think the husband is a red herring, but will possibly turn out to be a witness to her being at Tim's flat.

Maybe another body's going to turn up, and with Michael in custody and Tim dead then that's going to really throw the whole investigation up to this point into doubt and what will she do then?

Side issue, anyone else find themselves struggling not to see Vicky Mclure as a scheming psycho after her performance in The Replacement? I keep having to remind myself that it's a different character and that everything she says isn't intended to mislead .

YY to Vicky McLure. Especially with her and Steve jostling for position. It is a bit confusing!

But is Tim the actual murderer anyway? Was swanning around in a black balaclava last week. But then why try and stop them charging someone else?

I don't think he's the murderer, although he's certainly determined that Farmer isn't!

It's not him in the biometric pic though is it?

He's done that to cast enough doubt on the case against Farmer but not throw any suspicion on himself?

Although isn't the balaclava pic supposed to be a similar build to Farmer & I'm not sure that Tim was?

re biometric of foot size: stating the obvious, but surely you'd avoid the risk of leaving incriminating footprints/ captured images etc. by very purposely wearing different-sized shoes/ boots!!
Obviously easier to size upwards, mind you, and my theory useless if opportunistic crime, not pre-planned...

[Disclaimer: memory's hazy as to whether that works within plot known so far].

What if Roz and Tim were in it together but Tim had a change of heart and went to AC12 because that was the only way to not implicate himself ? He and Riz planted evidence but to get a conclusion on Trapdoor but his conscience got the better of him.
Still working out details on this theory.

I watched ep2 again. Ted is not the usual Ted this time.

And I didn't get how Roz got Roopal to recheck for foreign DNA on dismembered body. But I was about to drop off so might have to watch again !!

*Roz not Riz

Did Ros get them to re check the DNA after finding Tim's creepy room in his flat?

Not sure what we're supposed to think about that. Whether Ros planted Tim's DNA and she's trying to frame him or whether she's genuinely suspicious.

Trying to frame him to discredit him. I think she thinks maybe if everyone believes he was Balaclava Man there would be more people who would want him dead so the murder investigation would look elsewhere.

As the previous only motive would have been his whistle blowing. Now she's opened up loads more motives if he was believed to be going around killing women.

I'm waiting for what Tim said to Rob in episode 1, when he had the laptop in the corridor and she wouldn't listen to her. He said something about a tiny detail she may have overlooked, but she brushed him off quite rudely and said trust me, I wouldn't have.

So she was tied up at some point Eh? Ros was? When?

Is it really acceptable forensic practice to cross out a number on an exhibit bag when you've made a mistake? I thought that, too. I think that'll come back to bite her on the arse.

I also don't think she killed Tim, but that he probably cut himself with the saw out of shock after she opened her eyes I agree with this –or maybe she pushed him away and pushed the saw into his neck, but not deliberately.

I think Roopal (is that her name? Who Ros convinced to run the evidence check again) will feel guilty about going behind the new CIO's back and crack. She'll tell someone that Ros asked her to run the evidence again and they'll realise Ros was tampering.

I think Ros's husband isn't involved in the murder, but is into something else (prostitutes/an affair, maybe). It'll get uncovered because Ros will say she was at home with him on the night of Tim's death, but when the police ask him he'll have to admit he was out with his mistress or whatever.

I thought Tim had tied Ros' hands and feet (even though as he thought she was dead that would make no sense) but I went back to the end of episode 1 and her feet certainly weren't - you don't see her hands.

He goes off to the DIY store wearing the balaclava, obviously to get caught on CCTV, then takes the balaclava off and puts a cap on to go round the shop, when he will obviously still be caught by CCTV. I assume the cap is going to obscure his face but it's still not very convincing. He bought a lot of stuff so I hope he remembered to pay cash for it.

Doesn't really matter how he paid for it though as he is getting away with anything now he's dead. I do think he believed Michael Farmer was not Balaclava Man so by impersonating him he thought he could force the investigation to look again.

The biometric pic was taken before Tim went out to buy supplies, wasn't it?

So if they see him on cctv-they're not going to be thinking that there are 2 balaclava men are they??

I don't buy that she pushed the saw away and he was killed that way - if you got an electric saw in the neck there'd be more than a cut, you'd have your head half hanging off! That looked more like a stab wound to me (though what the script says and how the BBC show it on the actor might not fit I suppose).

I also can't buy that either of them could have cleaned up enough that loads of blood didn't show under the forensic light examination thing - that always seems to pick up each and every little old spot of blood even if it's been wiped up, not to mention any stray hairs. She'd have been there all night with the bleach and Zoflora.

When AC-12 were talking about the crime scene they said the wound was a 'nick', and described it as shallow, which sounds to me like it COULD have been inflicted with the saw. The assumption is that it was a glancing blow/swipe rather than her deliberately taking the saw to him. I can imagine her pushing it away and only just grazing him.

She would have cleaned up thoroughly –she knows about forensics so she knows how important that is. She may well have been there all night.

Yes the "glancing blow" theory seems plausible to me.

Out,

Couldn't agree more!

(And as for neglecting to spot that glaring flipping smear of blood on the side of counter...hmm).

Well Tim helpfully prepared the crime scene to leave minimal forensic evidence - all that plastic sheeting and so forth.

So, in that case, how does a "shallow nick" kill you? I'm forever cutting myself and I've never died yet.
Maybe some other cause of death?
And what about the burn on his hand, that should come up at some point surely?