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Apple Tree Yard starts on Sunday! [MNHQ message: No spoilers please, including what happens in the book!]

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Destinysdaughter · 18/01/2017 12:44

I really enjoyed the book so looking forward to this. It's in 4 parts with Emily Watson playing the main character and Ben Chaplin as her lover. BBC1 9pm

Good article about it here.

www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jan/14/emily-watson-apple-tree-yard-middle-aged-women-infidelity-sexuality#comments

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thenightsky · 30/01/2017 22:07

I'm not sure if I'm confused or I missed a bit.

Didn't her daughter announce her pregnancy last week? Then this week she was suddenly looking huge, like 8 months? Yet Yvonne's bruises were only just fading, suggesting a mere week had passed.

Confused
minisausage · 30/01/2017 22:22

I've heard it's on Sunday and Monday this week.

Fedupofallthemud · 30/01/2017 22:25

Yes just saw the trailer which sheds a little more light

southeastdweller · 30/01/2017 22:34

Yep - Sunday and Monday for the final two eps. Just looked at the BBC website (which has spoilers).

rollonthesummer · 30/01/2017 22:37

Maybe x is a copper?!

TizzyDongue · 30/01/2017 22:39

Flowers - text - George in shop/bottle drop

I think. I'm doubting the flower and text order.

BradleyPooper · 30/01/2017 23:19

There's no proof of George's email (deleted), card that came with the flowers (ripped up), guess the flowers have gone, maybe she didn't really see George at the shop. I wonder if him stalking her is a figment of her imagination. She had no evidence of the rape either. Legally it looks like she sent someone to harm / kill an innocent man.....

HelenaDove · 31/01/2017 02:07

"She was vile to the woman hosting the dinner party too - i know she had a point but doing that in front of everyone wasnt a good idea either"

Really 80s? I think in front of others is the perfect oppertunity to challenge the vile victim blaming shit the other woman was coming out with.

HelenaDove · 31/01/2017 02:14

Im a big reader and have read loads of books but not Apple Tree Yard.

A year ago i read The Book of You by Clare Kendal Thats about a woman being stalked and WAY scarier than ATY

ZuzuMyLittleGingersnap · 31/01/2017 06:17

Fun fact:
Victim-blaming dinner party woman was apparently Joy from "Drop The Dead Donkey" ! (Susannah Doyle) Shock Shock

Despite a few (what seem at the moment, anyway) glaring plot holes PPs have mentioned, I'm enjoying this. So many questions, though!

Emily Watson manages to convey so much nuanced inner thought with even her eyes. The after-effects of the rape were harrowing to watch.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 31/01/2017 07:26

I read The Book of You, the last couple of chapters were laughable and made me SO cross. Such a disappointment imo but first part of the book was great I agree.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 31/01/2017 07:28

Yes, I recognised dinner party lady. I've had similar conversations, some people just don't get it are really thick

Trills · 31/01/2017 07:47

In front of people is exactly the time to challenge victim-blaming or racism or xenophobia or sexism or whatever.

If you do it quietly, you're only putting your counter-arguments to the person who said it, not to those who quietly sat and listened. They may need to hear it too.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 31/01/2017 08:14

Absolutely she was right to challenge dinner party comments,they were appalling. She didn't say it agressively either,she just pointed out the obvious.

NotJanine · 31/01/2017 10:52

Threads like this make me glad that not averything is available on demand. It's good to have to wait a week and speculate in the meantime Grin

I've read the book but can't remember anything past what happened in the 1st episode. I dont remember particularly enjoying it, but am enjoying this. I think Emily Watson is excellent.

BooToYouToo · 31/01/2017 10:57

Just caught up. I thought the woman in court was quite young and looked like Rosa so maybe something happens to Gary as a result of BC's actions?

Olympiathequeen · 31/01/2017 11:10

I haven't read the book so not a spoiler, but I assumed the lover went to the house of George the rapist and beat him up but overdid it and he died and that the woman shouting in court was George's wife?

Can't think of any other connotation to put on the final scene.

I'm sure there's loads more to it than that.

QueenoftheAndals · 31/01/2017 11:35

Just caught up. I thought the woman in court was quite young and looked like Rosa so maybe something happens to Gary as a result of BC's actions?

Ooh, maybe we're on the wrong track. Maybe EW took BC to Rosa's house and, in revenge, told him Gary was George?

Elendon · 31/01/2017 11:47

Who is Rosa? Have I missed something?

BuntyFigglesworthSpiffington · 31/01/2017 11:58

Rosa is the young woman the husband is shagging. The one who turned up drunk at the house. Pretty sure that wasn't her shouting in court.

MarilynWhirlwindRocks · 31/01/2017 11:58

Elendon,

Rosa is Gary's research assistant; the one he's shagging...

MarilynWhirlwindRocks · 31/01/2017 12:00

Bunty,

Xpost...good to see we share a delicate turn of phrase Wink

BuntyFigglesworthSpiffington · 31/01/2017 12:07

Elegant ladies we are Marilyn!

SapphireStrange · 31/01/2017 12:11

I'm not 100% sure but I didn't think that previous sexual history and being drunk were considered any more in rape cases.

Ched Evans notwithstanding, I think that is generally correct now, isn't it? The fact that her history WAS allowed in the Evans case (and that she had to go to court rather than be behind a screen or do it via videolink) stinks. That whole case stinks, IMO.

Anyway.

I think she really did see George in the shop. When she mistook the other bloke for him we were shown clearly that it wasn't him; in the shop it was clear it was still him after she saw him.

It might be that George isn't stalking her or sending her things though; that's an interesting idea that it might be X. He could have been in the shop by chance.

I kind of hope he isn't harassing her. I don't really like the notion that a rapist must then also turn out to be a serial rapist, a stalker and a fantasist. It gives an impression that a rapist is a monster, when the frightening truth is that men who rape might be 'just' 'normal' men.

I thought the dinner-party woman was much more 'vile' than her. Her comments were Hmm and I'd have called her out on them too.

nightsky, I'm working this out as I go along, but: the daughter might have waited to tell them about the pregnancy until she was about three months gone. A few weeks might easily have passed between her telling them and Yvonne's rape. Her bruises could have taken longer than a week to fade (mine do!). Her DH says after the dinner that she hasn't 'been right for weeks', implying quite some time passing.

I was puzzled by the dog in the window when X went to the flat at the end. The camera lingered on it for ages; it must be significant? I don't know how though, other than I do think it's odd that it didn't look as if there was a stranger in its house.

Deux · 31/01/2017 13:31

Interesting to see some of the theories as to who is who here.

A PP mentioned how the daughter is suddenly heavily pregnant and it made me realise we don't really know how much time has elapsed between the different events. Specifically between the daughter announcing her pregnancy and the rape and then between the rape and seeing the daughter heavily pregnant in the lab.

In my mind these events all happened over the course of a few weeks but it must be months given how pg the daughter is when we last see her.

I'm trying to think of the changing seasons from the outdoor shots. Seemed winter when she met BC but they were less wrapped up when EW and BC are in her car going to 'George's' flat.

Another thought about the woman in the court gallery. Agree she seems quite young and I did wonder about the woman EW's son talks about to his mother. Could it be her?

I saw the trailer for next week and it looks good. I hope the ending is satisfactory though and not one of those airy fairy it was all a dream type thing.