The wait is almost over! Sherlock Series 4!

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So excited! I couldn't wait for tomorrow to start a thread

Is it utterly juvenile to be grinning like a loon because I've been having an email conversation with a bloke who is actually called Jim Moriarty this morning at work?!

Total coincidence and I daren't say anything about Sherlock, though maybe I should ask him if he's a fan of The Bee Gees and Queen

Dp and I love Sherlock. We almost went to the cinema showing of the last episode. So glad we didn't. He was really disappointed by it as they had taken the reality out of it.

Poor bloke probably gets it all the time.

I'd have not been able to resist, mind. Game's afoot. Elementary. You know my methods.

My favourite three comments from posters on Reddit...

3hours later
Policeman 1: "Has anybody seen John Watson?"
Policeman 2: "Well, he can't still be down the well cos I threw him a rope and it's full of water now."
Policeman 1:"What if he was chained to the bottom?"
Policeman 2: "Oh shit"

Experienced medical doctor John Watson: Bones, Sherlock, there are bones in here.
Sherlock: What kind of bones?
Experienced medical doctor John Watson: Uh, I dunno. Small?

"John, please try and move on from my death and don't let it stop your whole life"
sends monthly after death video messages in the post so he'll never be able to move on

With thanks to Mike Bassett, Suchui and BWalker66.

That's great holistic

I grew so tired of the constant Moriarty is he/isn't he dead bollocks. They dragged that conundrum out for so many years, it just got tedious. I know he's popular (although, yes, Andrew Scott's performance changed from genuinely menacing to court jester IMO) but FFS, stop relying on a character you killed off in season 2.

I suppose that there wasn't really another character who could deliver that end of episode speech while still leaving the door open for another series. But I was never invested in Mary as a character and it sucked all the emotion out of it for me. If Louise Brealey or Una Stubbs or Rupert Graves had said the same words I'd have been a wreck!

In fairness to Watson, can I point out that it would have been pitch dark in the well? Even experts sometimes have trouble determining in the field in broad daylight whether bones are human or animal.
This article lists three of the ways to tell animal bones from human, none of which would have been possible to use when chained to the bottom of a dark well full of water...
forensicoutreach.com/library/three-ways-to-tell-animal-bones-from-human-bones/

I have to say at least everyone on here has kept their comments in context and are smart/mature enough to realise it's only a TV show!

I made the mistake of looking on Twitter and my god the vitriol and downright abuse being thrown at cast and crew on there is shocking. Poor Amanda Abbington is bearing the brunt of it, most of which seems to be coming from Johnlock Shippers who seem to have been under the assumption that the series would end with Sherlock and John proclaiming their eternal undying love for each other

I have been thinking more about it and I think my dissatisfaction is rooted in the lack of explanation of how Euros actually did it all. I've only recently got into Sherlock so I've watched all the episodes in close succession. Every single mystery has been explained by the end of the episode, usually with actual visual flashbacks. This is the only time they've ever left explanations for the mysterious stuff, like the tying up and dangling of the three blokes or how she escaped to visit John and Sherlock, to our imaginations. Are we supposed to believe that she hypnotised EVERYONE at Sherrington enough to both escape and return unnoticed? Previous Sherlock episodes would have explained it. This one didn't and has no intention to.

The only exception was Sherlock's apparent suicide at the end of series 2, but we knew for sure another series was coming where it would be explained. That is not a guarantee this time and I think even if they did make another series, it would be swept under the carpet.

DP says that C.A.Doyle was originally going to call his main character Sherrinford Holmes but changed it to Sherlock.
Sherrinford was apparently mentioned a few times and sort of implied there was another brother by that name. I've never read the books though.

I think Moriarty was in love with Sherlock but was angry with it being unrequited. 💔

Worst ever program...

I enjoyed it. Yes there were plotholes, but it was still fun to watch - and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wasn't exactly known for being obsessed with accuracy and avoiding dramatic leaps that don't make a lot of logical sense! He couldn't even keep track of where Watson had been injured and what his first name was.

The abuse being thrown at the production team, writers, actors and even the BBC from some quarters is frankly ridiculous.

If Euros had control over the governor of the facility then she could easily have been removed from her cell without anyone else knowing. She doesn't need to control everyone.

who wore the little girl & clown suits?? Sherlock said something about how they should claim their payment. I think they were a couple of the 'Baker Street Irregulars' who we've seen in previous eps.

I think it's a shame Mary had the last word (and what a cheesy last word!) Me too. I think that she is 'allowed' to preside over the 'boys' in that sort of all-wise omniscient way because she is a dead woman and therefore an unthreatening woman. The misogyny on display here was really ugly in SO many ways.

What was the point of her involvement with Culverton Smith? What was the point of her having the emotional affair with John and also masquerading as his therapist? What was the point of that cliffhanger with her shooting John, only for it to be dismissed with "it was a tranquilliser LOL".
I agree: total wastes of time, all of these. Just shit writing; trying to create artificial intrigue and tension but with no real meaning, tension payoff, or addressing the outcome/consequences.

Again, there was too much money on show, all spent on toys for the boys: helicopters (again!); impressive/swanky locations and James Bond-style lairs; more fucking guns.

John's child was conveniently absent until they wheeled it on for the 'perfect daddy' bits of the montage at the end.

I loved, however, the opening; Mark Gatiss's fingerprints were all over that – he's a real student of horror/ghost stories. Atmospheric, genuinely creepy – lovely. I'd like more of that.

Also, agree with others that the performances basically made it worth watching: I hated the phone call with Molly for several reasons, but she and BC were both exceptional. Also Martin F all the way through, Mark Gatiss and of course Andrew Scott. He is SERIOUSLY good, isn't he?

I kind of hope it comes back and they do a whole series where they sit in the flat and bicker and tease Mrs Hudson, in between solving old-school cases like the Blue Carbuncle and pouring tea from that nice pot.

Culverton smith was her testing Sherlock by giving him a case - presumably she'd seen through CS and wanted Sherlock to do the same.

I agree about CS, he was essentially a big ploy to throw fans off the scent. All the build up to this series was about how Toby Jones was playing the worst villain Sherlock had ever encountered, it was supposed to fool us into not noticing Eurus until it was too late!

CS really was horrible though - he was a properly scary "villain"; Eurus was more of an antagonist. Okay the child murdering was obviously less than good and everything, but tbf she was only about five or six when it happened so not criminally responsible for her actions. All the stuff she did as an adult could arguably be chalked up to then being institutionalised and denied proper human contact; combined with the earlier issues.

I suppose with CS you think "thank God he's been caught and locked up, throw away the key, he deserves it" - with Eurus there's a bit of sympathy there she'd spent her life searching for some sort of human connection and a chance to engage with her family again.

Sapphire, I thought the same about the opening - very League of Gentlemen. I miss that show

Louise Brealey (Molly) is a terrific actress and she was wonderful in that scene. What a shame she was given sod all to do this series

I never really got all the fuss about Stephen Moffatt's alleged misogyny until now but there was plenty of it in that episode

Unfortunately for Amanda Abbington, she used the term 'ground breaking' to describe the new season, which many people took at face value...

But it is very unfair that the cast are getting harassed on social media. And it must be quite shocking for them to end a Sherlock season with this backlash. There was disappointment with season 3 but nothing like this.

They need to return to the original formula - interesting mysteries, which superficially make no sense, thence solved by brilliant deductions. Simples...

Really weary of all this extreme soul-baring angst and intense declarations of undying lurve.

I have now watched it 3 times (have always needed to watch the episodes a few times to pick up on what I previously missed) and I love it. I loved last years too.
My only criticism is that they should have extended it by half an hour as the ending, after John was rescued, seemed to be rushed.

Does anyone else think the text Sherlock sent was to Molly and they are now a couple? Nobody else I know follows it like I do so nobody else to discuss it with!

I don't think Molly and Sherlock will ever be a couple...or John and Sherlock...

thequietus.com/articles/21578-bbc-the-final-problem-sherlock-review

Great review...

That's hilarious!

Nah I think he was texting Irene Adler like john was imploring him to do the previous week