The wait is almost over! Sherlock Series 4!

[CaveMum]

So excited! I couldn't wait for tomorrow to start a thread

Don't get me wrong, when I say I loved it I still don't think it was as good as the first two series.

I love Andrew Scott and his scenery-chewing turns as Moriarty, he's just utterly bonkers!

As for Sherlock, I'd take him (well Benedict C anyway) shaven or unshaven Did anyone else read the interview he gave after Series 3 where he talked about what Sherlock would be like in bed? Bloody hell I nearly self-combusted!

SO are they trying to say a large part of the Moriarty obsession and hatred for Sherlock came from him meeting and being "manipulated" by Euros then?

I think the implication was that Moriarty already had an interest in Sherlock when Euros asked to see him, so I'm guessing the meeting happened at some point before Ep 3 of the first series with the swimming pool showdown.

Random fact, I learnt to swim in that very pool - Bristol South! Apparently Mark Gatiss used to swim there when he was a student.

That Interview for those who might be interested

I think the writers created Euros to be SO clever and SO evil that they didn't really know where to go with it. They built her up so much and I expected a really clever, mind blowing story, but it just turned into X-Men or batman where people were invincible and she was like a cartoon character.

Similar vein to Mary - she was meant to be a wicked, cold hearted killer. But in the Mary-centric episode this season a) she couldn't sell it (partly why people thought the episode was fake in some way) and b) we still weren't shown why she was supposed to be this fearsome assassin. Some of the 'good guys' in Sherlock have done worse on camera. Sorry to say it, but Amanda Abbington is lovely and she's just not a good enough actress to play anything else.

SO are they trying to say a large part of the Moriarty obsession and hatred for Sherlock came from him meeting and being "manipulated" by Euros then?

No, Moriarty probably became aware of Sherlock as a kid, when Sherlock insisted Carl Powers' death was a murder. Eurus just became aware of that - from inside her glass box on an island...

By the way - if all Eurus needed was a hug, and she's now non-verbal and just likes to play the violin, it's rather chilling that she'll presumably remain in the glass box for the rest of her life. Couldn't they make more civilized arrangements? (With these scenarios I always wonder where the loo is... Maybe she's too evolved for that too...)

Sherlock ate itself.

Load of rubbish.

Well, I thought it was pretty awful. I didn't want to hate it AT ALL, but I did. Such massive plot holes. The big reveals were just bizarre (I'm convinced that when they first referenced Redbeard in season 3, they hadn't yet decided in which direction to take it) and that awful cheesy speech from Mary (of all characters) at the end?

Oh no, redbeard was a total retcon

Just had to Google "retcon"

Exactly! That scene in Sherlock's mind palace after Mary shoots him "Oh Redbeard, they're putting me down too". But it turns out that it was all a fiction that Sherlock developed in his mind as a child to erase all thoughts of his sister murdering his friend.

As for THAT, what a load of bollocks. Seems plausible that a family might give up the search for a lost dog, but a lost CHILD? Where were the police? The boy's family? Why did no one think to check the fucking great well on the family estate?

Did five year old Eurus carve those gravestones herself? What was the point of her involvement with Culverton Smith? What was the point of her having the emotional affair with John and also masquerading as his therapist (not to get info on Sherlock and Mycroft surely, because she could uncover terrorist plots after one hour on Twitter)? What was the point of that cliffhanger with her shooting John, only for it to be dismissed with "it was a tranquilliser LOL".

I really enjoyed it.

It was disappointing however how all 3 of them seemed to instantly buy the story of the girl on the plane and agree to play all Euros's games to save her, without any proof of anything. And without asking any sensible questions like 'What airline are you on?'. And the fact that the conversation with the girl was paused multiple times while they were doing a 'task' and the girl just carried on the conversation as if nothing had happened.

One thing that I thought was clever - in the last episode Sherlock noticed scars on 'Faith''s arms - presumably from where Euros had cut herself to see the muscles working?

Oh yeah, the little girl on the plane was just Eurus doing a little girl voice? FFS!

I don't think she carved the gravestones - sheused them to codify her east wind song though.

But Yy about searching for victor. Surely the well would've been looked at as a place he might have fallen in

But we've no idea where the well was - apart from close enough to the old family property that Watson would turn up with a blanket on - so it could have been a very hidden well that Euros as a really small girl had found and decided to push someone down.

I'm stretching here...

It was disappointing however how all 3 of them seemed to instantly buy the story of the girl on the plane

No one questioned how she was getting a signal.

I assumed at the start that the plane was some kind of bad experience Eurus had had.

Anything that knocked out a whole plane would knock out the girl I also

It was supposed to be hypoxia I think. There was a plane crash in Greece involving a passenger jet which failed to pressurise. Everyone on board passed out from lack of oxygen and the plane flew on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed. But there could be no instance of a child being unaffected, roaming around and making phone calls, etc.

Going back to the well - how did Eurus manage to trigger that massive flow of water?

Yup plane scenario was annoying me as well

Planes seemingly endless flying between conversations without crashing into anything and without running out of fuel I was suspect of it from the start

Total bollocks

I assumed the girl on the plane wasn't actually happening from the start and wondered if it would slot into place once the Eurus story unfolded.

I knew something was "off" with the plane because the girl's hair was too neat! Who has perfect curls like that after sitting in a plane for several hours? Also, I thought it was the same voice as the child on the phone at the end of The Great Game, so I was somehow expecting it to tie into that, although I've no idea how.

Well, I watched it last night and watched a bit again today.

I didn't"t know if it was the best bit of TV or the worst TV ever.

Baker St blowing up was terrible CGI.

Andrew Scott is so good. I think that's why the first two series are brilliant.

I still really liked it but found it too self indulgent. And not enough una Stubbs in this episode.

"So Shit Sherlock".

If Psycho sister had been locked up like Hannibal since she was about 6, how did she know who Moriarty was?.

Totally agree about not enough Una Stubbs. You never have enough Una Stubbs, especially since she was so fab last week

I thought Andrew Scott was great last night, and I usually find that he overplays Moriarty just a bit too much. I know he's an outrageous character but I usually find his performance over egged. His arrival scene last night was great

Thanks for the link Cavemum