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The wait is almost over! Sherlock Series 4!

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CaveMum · 31/12/2016 12:14

So excited! I couldn't wait for tomorrow to start a thread Grin

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MavisGrind · 08/01/2017 23:04

Can't help but think the hug was to keep the JohnLockers happy. Grin

Loved this episode but found all the Savile references really unsettling.

And high Sherlock is hot - I finally get it and lord knows I've tried

HeyRoly · 08/01/2017 23:04

One thing I found interesting was when, at the start of the episode, "Faith" was at Baker Street talking to Sherlock, for just one sentence her accent went Scottish like Bus Lady. Guess Sherrinford's gift for accents failed her at that moment Grin

KimmySchmidtsFakeXmasSmile · 08/01/2017 23:06

I took it from the trailer for next week about everything you've ever done has been (subconsciously) for her, that Sherlock does not remember his sister?
I loved the episode. Thought the Saville references were actually quite brave and Toby acted it brilliantly. Have caught up with this thread...am so pleased I hadn't read it already. Some of you lot are very clever.
So I saw none of it coming Blush I am clearly thick (did not know Sian had a red wig on til someone mentioned it on DS). I avoid spoilers when I can because I once ruined DW for myself (the one with two DTs).

HeyRoly · 08/01/2017 23:07

If the fake Toby's daughter left that piece of paper with Sherlock - how did she get hold of it??

She said Culverton gave it to her.

So was Sherrinford involved in a (failed) trap that was supposed to end with Sherlock getting taken out by Culverton?

CaveMum · 08/01/2017 23:10

I reckon it's more likely Sherrinford was looking for an opportunity to get at Sherlock so offered her services to Culverton with Sherlock as bait. As a psychopath he'd get off on the prospect of getting away with killing such a high profile figure.

A bit like the taxi driver in the very first episode - they always want to prove how clever they are.

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KimmySchmidtsFakeXmasSmile · 08/01/2017 23:10

The only thing that would have made this better was if they had shown it on Friday instead of today (yes I am that much of a nerd).Wink

BonnesVacances · 08/01/2017 23:11

I don't think Sherlock really knew his sister or her him. Hence why she said that he wasn't what she expected and that he was nicer.

CaveMum · 08/01/2017 23:12

MavisGrind, you should watch the pilot version of the first episode (it's a bonus feature on the DVDs), Sherlock is very dishevelled/stubbly throughout that too Grin

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Ciutadella · 08/01/2017 23:14

So, if this was Sherlock's plan to save John by requiring John to save him, how did Sherlock know that real daughter wouldn't accuse Culverton when she arrived in the hospital in response to the text? If she had, Sherlock's plan to save John would have failed because Culverton would be arrested at that point.

Sherlock at this stage didn't think/know that real daughter was a hallucination/fake did he - he thought the daughter's visit had really happened? Or had he worked it out by then?

Scorbus · 08/01/2017 23:15

Isn't Sherringford supposed to be much older or younger than Sherlock? Would make sense if there was a big age gap and maybe boarding school involved. Sherringford definitely seems troubled and, from what Mycroft has alluded to, has been since childhood.

Ciutadella · 08/01/2017 23:18

"Sherringford definitely seems troubled"
Ha, nice line in understatement Scorbus!

Yes I suspect they may have been parted when either she or Sherlock (or both) was a young child, so he wouldn't have recognised her - either as Faith or as the therapist if he saw her when Mrs H brought him there in the boot.

MayhemandMadness01 · 08/01/2017 23:19

I think Sherrinford has been in some sort of institution since childhood hence why Sherlock doesn't know her. It would be a twist if she was there with Jim M. and she is behind the 'miss me' stuff.

Elledouble · 08/01/2017 23:19

Was Toby Jones ever in anything where he wasn't amazing? Creepy as fuck! Totally got the Savile references.

I'd got that fake Faith and the therapist were one and the same but hadn't banked on her being Sherringford as well - wow wow wow!

Return to form, I thought.

HeyRoly · 08/01/2017 23:32

I'm wondering if next week's episode will be the last, and the Sherrinford "reveal" will be the culmination of a story arc that began with Moriarty in series one.

ChoccyJules · 08/01/2017 23:33

I thought they went over the top with the Saville references, I counted at least six. One or two would have been creepy but this seemed to be saying 'look who we've totally based this guy on' (apart from the murders) and felt kind of lazy.

CaveMum · 08/01/2017 23:42

I'm seeing speculation that Euros is not Sherrinford, but a whole new sibling.

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Scorbus · 08/01/2017 23:42

I'm never knowingly understated Grin

Littlemissindifferent · 08/01/2017 23:45

Sorry to be really thick but was it the real daughter that wrote the note after being drugged and if so how did Sherringford get it?

When Sherlock found the note at the end why did it have Miss me? on it, the same as the DVD? Did Mary know Sherringford?

Bettersleepoutdoors · 08/01/2017 23:48

Good point Ciutadella

Great episode though.

HeyRoly · 08/01/2017 23:50

The "Miss Me?" thing stared at the end of His Last Vow when Sherlock was shipped off to Eastern Europe on the private jet. "Moriarty" popped up on screens across the land with the message "Miss Me?" So every time Sherlock sees "Miss Me?" he thinks of Moriarty.

Ciutadella · 08/01/2017 23:51

We saw Culverton Smith starting to take the note away from real daughter, so presumably he passed it on to fake daughter?

"Miss me" is a reference to Moriarty I think - but we will see!

Bettersleepoutdoors · 08/01/2017 23:52

Maybe he didnt plan on that being his opportunity to "save Watson"?

Lokilocks · 09/01/2017 00:07

I loved the episode and Toby Jones was just repulsive throughout. Agree with pp Mrs H was great and I realised it was bus woman but it didn't really take away from it. Can't wait for next week but a bit sad that it's the last one.

TwoDrifters · 09/01/2017 00:11

I assumed Sherrinford was a place, rather than a person, perhaps the institution where Euros has been held? And Mycroft calls there (weekly?) to check up on her?

LoveforPGTipsMonkey · 09/01/2017 01:24

that was so enjoyable!
Yes, obviously Sherlock doesn't remember the older sister, and she only saw him in person as a young child when she was school age so never met him as a grown-up in person.

The one thing I don't get is, how did Mary's video which was genuine, end up with the evil sister who had put 'Miss me?' on it?
Also there must be more to it with the memory drug - sister must know about it from Culverton, has she got access to it? Now that he's arrested is she going to use it?

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