The Crown on Netflix

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Had a look but couldn't see another thread.

Anyone else watched any? Just seen the first episode and can't make my mind up. I'm ambivalent towards the monarchy but the production seems sumptuous. It's nice seeing all the 40's/50's fashions though.

Queen Mary pronounced "Regina" the way the Canadian city is pronounced. I'd always thought it was the Latin way, "Regeena" with a hard g. How do you guys over in the UK pronounce it?

So Regina as in the girls name Regeena

Regina as in the office of the monarch. Rhymes with vagina

Why do William and Harry have the surname Wales? I understand the prince of Wales connection but haven't they extinguished the Windsor name? Or will they change their surname to Windsor at some point?

I don't think ''wales' is their actual surname. I don't know why they don't use Windsor. I think Philip was unduly influenced by Dickie Mountbatten who stroked his ego and then it was all taken away from him. He then seemed to virtually take over the father figure role for Charles. He sounds well dodgy from this and other things I've read.

Loving the historic and political references. Also loving the way Philip has been given lines to explain so much. He being the rebellious husband, seeing through the costume fittings and dressing up, being ineffectual, hurt and petulent. I'd never thought of it like that. Rather similar to the way Diana was portrayed in the media.

They definitely use Wales as a surname. They were Wales at Eton, Wales in the army/RAF. When Ive seen them playing at polo matches they're down on the fixture lists as William Wales or Harry Wales.

I've only watched episode 1 but was disappointed not to see them honeymooning at Broadlands as it's just down the road from me. It wasn't mentioned at all.

I think Wales is an informal day to day surname,I seem to remember it being mentioned on the news when William started school . Could be completely wrong though!

I watched the last one,roll on series 2!

This sort of explains it -

As a British prince, William does not use a surname for everyday purposes. For formal and ceremonial purposes, the children of the Prince of Wales use the title of "prince" or "princess" before their Christian name and their father's territorial designation after it. Thus, Prince William was styled as "Prince William of Wales". Such territorial designations are discarded by women when they marry and by men if they are given a peerage of their own,[119] such as when Prince William was given his dukedom.

For the male-line grandchildren of Elizabeth II, however, there is currently some uncertainty over the correct form of family surname to use, or whether there even is a surname. The Queen has stipulated all her male-line descendants who do not bear the titular dignity of prince shall use Mountbatten-Windsor as their family surname (although Letters Patent exist stipulating the name Windsor, but with the same caveat). According to their flight suits as seen in television interviews, Princes William and Harry both used Wales as their surname for military purposes; this continues to be the case for William since his creation as Duke of Cambridge.

I'm on epIsode 5 and loving it.

"With this family you're never quiet sure when you're in. But when you're out you're out" Brilliant.

"He sounds well dodgy from this and other things I've read."

Didn't he also want Charles to marry his GD?

That doesn't explain why you wouldn't just use Windsor though.

I don't know that much about Louis Mountbatten, but he seemed like a massive social climber who basically used Philip and then Charles to get in with the Royals. When he was killed it all changed. Yes I love the way they have used Philip to explain what's happening. He apparently was a massive reformer too around the Palace, trying to get the children to do things for themselves, like telling footmen not to keep opening the door for Prince Charles and trying to cook his own meals, but he was slapped down. He also installed a telephone system because he didn't like getting footmen to take messages around the palace. I doubt it was a concern for the footmen, just a general disdain for the learned helplessness of the Royal Family. Maybe that's why Charles didn't get on with him, because he was trying to make him less spoilt when he had a household full of servants at his beck and call. I'm not surprised if Philip was a bit petulant.

"That doesn't explain why you wouldn't just use Windsor though. "

Because they've got their own special name to use which marks them out from the rest of the Windors

I've actually got a lot of time for Prince Philip. I just think he knows his own mind and doesn't suffer fools, which doesn't sit well with a lot of people.

There's a lovely bit in Gyles Brandreth's book, which I mentioned up thread, where he describes seeing the Queen and Probce Philip at a social gathering (I'm assuming in the 90s sometime) on opposite sides of the room. The Queen looked over to Prince Philip and smiled and in return he raised his glass and winked at her.

I've read more about him as a result of this series, and I have much more respect for him too. He had a terrible childhood, obviously not by the standards of ordinary people, but when his family were deposed, he was smuggled out of Greece in a fruit box because they were going to be assasinated. It must have been really hard for him to just basically at the age of 31 be told that he couldn't stand by the side of his wife for the rest of his life, he couldn't have his own job and to watch his sons turn into the lazy, spoilt lot they are today and do nothing about it.

I'm nearly finished . Anyone else surprised that the writer had the balls to hint of P.P's philandering, not just once but a few times?

I'm more surprised about the hints to the Queens affair with Lord Porchester.

Didn't he also want Charles to marry his GD?

Mountbatten did indeed try to engineer a match between his granddaughter Amanda Knatchbull and Charles, beginning when Amanda was still a teenager and lasting several years. According to several accounts, Charles did propose to Amanda, but she turned him down. The proposal came after she had lost her grandfather, grandmother, and younger brother in the bombing aimed at Mountbatten. Apparently this influenced her in not wanting to be part of the RF.

"watch his sons turn into the lazy, spoilt lot they are today"

Well surely that's one thing that he could have done something about?

It must have been hard having to end his Naval career at 31, but really, what did he think being married to the Queen would mean for him?

Didn't the king die pretty young? I'm guessing Philip thought he'd have at least another decade or so before Elizabeth became queen...

I think the Old Bean and Phil must really love each other. I am fascinated by this show.

I think he expected the King to live for another 20-30 years. Then he would have left the Navy anyway. I think with the kids thing, he expected them to be more like him, but they were surrounded by sycophants. Only Anne has had the strength of character to actually break out of that.

Anyway, I've just watched Episode 4. I really wish the creators of Victoria and Downton had watched this. If you want to talk about the issues of the day that affected the general population, you give it a proper amount of time, don't fluff it out with love stories shoehorned in for no apparent reason and deal with it without patronising the viewer.

"I'm guessing Philip thought he'd have at least another decade or so before Elizabeth became queen..."

I know, but that's what I mean.

He knew that at one point he would be married to the Queen, it just came earlier than expected.

So he knew from the start that at some point he would be acting as her Consort.