The Crown on Netflix

[TheHiphopopotamus]

Had a look but couldn't see another thread.

Anyone else watched any? Just seen the first episode and can't make my mind up. I'm ambivalent towards the monarchy but the production seems sumptuous. It's nice seeing all the 40's/50's fashions though.

We covered the random way they all have to curtesy to each other on the last Royals tthread (topic : Prince Andrew, ended up talking about all of them)

eg if Kate enters a room and Beatrice and Eugenie are there, she MUST curtsy to them

BUT

If she enters that same room and William is already there or enters with her, she assumes his rank and they MUST curtsy to her.

Trills we watched that episode last night, the covering scene annoyed me as they got bits of it wrong! For example it's standard practise when the Stallion dismounts to walk the mare immediately forward so that if she kicks out (as they often do!) she won't land a blow in a delicate area! But I'm being pedantic!

The only thing that's really bothered me so far is the time lapse of each episode. They tell you the month/year at the start of each episode but not as it progresses. Episode 9 had to cover at least 6 or 7 months and I can only work that out based on the horses! The King George (the race that the Queen's horse won) is run at the end of July each year at Ascot and the Thoroughbred breeding season, which we witnessed later on, doesn't start until February.

Plus, and again I'm being a horsey pendant, the Queen's riding horses are not stabled with her racehorses. It's bad practise to keep any other horses in a racing yard due to the risk of them trasmittting coughs and colds which can stall a racehorse's career.

In fact the horse they kept talking about, Aureole, was trained in Newmarket (where I work) by Cecil Boyd-Rochfort (also known as the step-father of the late Sir Henry Cecil who trained my racing hero Frankel).

But I'm being picky, I do love the show!

Do we really think the younger royals actually follow those arcane curtseying rules? Does Zara get a free pass by not having a title and thus being virtually a republican?

If they really do curtsey to each other in private, no wonder they're so dysfunctional!

If Kate is carrying baby Charlotte, would Beatrice and Eugenie curtsey to the baby? Or do only adults get meaningless rituals of respect?

More info here

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9351571/The-Queen-tells-the-Duchess-of-Cambridge-to-curtsy-to-the-blood-princesses.html

I think it goes The Monarch -> The Consort -> Queens Dowager -> Prince Of Wales -> Duchess of Cornwall -> then anyone holding the title Prince or Princess by blood-> then spouses with titles eg Sophie and Kate

When you read that it actually explains that it was done at Anne's behest because she refused to curtsy to Camilla if Charles wasn't there. So the same applies to Camilla. She assumes Charles rank only if he is present.

it seems the queen was 10 when she found out she would eventually become queen

Noah if you have Netflix you might like The King's Speech, with Colin Firth playing the Queen's Dad just before and after the abdication of his brother.

Oh and Helena Bonham Carter as the Queen Mum (at that time obviously not the Queen Mum...)

Well, yeah, she was 10, because she was never supposed to be Queen, her Uncle Dave was supposed to be King and then the next monarch her first cousin.

He didn't actually have children with Wallis, but had he married someone else and still not had children, she would still have been Queen but this would have happened much later seeing as the Duke Of Windsor didn't die until the 1970s

Uncle Dave :o

Finding out you are going to be Queen later, when you are 10.

Is that weirder than growing up always knowing you are going to be Queen? That must be pretty weird too.

*Trills
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There are several little girls in Europe who will be the next Monarch:

Leonor of Spain
Elisabeth of Belgium
Catarina Amalia of Holland
(Ingrid of Norway is 13 and will be Queen after her father is King)

So 4 young girls certainly do know that they'll be in Elizabeth's place as she was when she was 10.

And Victoria of Sweden who is a married lady of 38ish is next in line in Sweden BUT only since they changed the constitution when she was 2 or 3. Her father the King was reportedly furious that her then baby brother was deprived of his "birthright".

srta, I read Trills' post as what it must be like to grow up as an 'ordinary' princess with no chance of the throne and then at 10, everything changes and now you are going to be Queen. That must be a huge thing to be thrust on any child, but then how hard/strange must it be to be brought up knowing that you'll (revolution aside!) be King/Queen one day. William doesn't seem to have enjoyed that.

I was musing that both must be very odd, in different ways.

If you always know you are going to be Queen, perhaps it doesn't feel odd because it's how you have always felt.

But at some point you realise that you are very different to other children.

At what point do you tell a child that they are going to be monarch?

Her father the King was reportedly furious that her then baby brother was deprived of his "birthright".

I guess that is why the change in UK law was specifically made to say that the current placement would not change (this would have put Anne above Andrew and Edward), and that only people born after the change in the law would be in strict birth order with no preference for boys.

Also with th Anne thing, what would muck up switching that order, is that Peter and Zara who are ordinary citizens would then leap ahead of Bea and Eug 'proper royalty'

You've got to question the weirdness/wisdom of some of the grandchildren who aren't direct heirs getting grand titles and others none or lesser (Lady and Viscount in the case of Edwards)

And why it peters out...

So Freddie Windsor is a Lord because his father is a Prince, his own child is plain Maud, no title.

I thought that Anne actively chose no titles for her children.

But that's just from my memory.

Anne's kids would never have been prince/princess as that's only down the male line

I think it must be harder to suddenly have the crown thrust upon you. As Elizabeth pointed out in one episode, her education was severely lacking and had she been destined to be Monarch from birth she might have received a better/more rounded one.

Yeah exactly. She chose. They are ordinary citizens. But she had her children way before Andrew who wanted his to have full titles and Edward who chose lesser ones as they were trying to "streamline" things
It seems like there should be an all or nothing rule.

It's a bit weird to say to a kid you're NOT a Princess but your cousin is.

I think the Phillips had the advantage in the long run there really.

But switching succession wouldn't work for that reason. Which is why it had to be 'going forward' with Williams children and their children

worriedlassy - it was offered to be changed for her and she rejected it and any lesser title. But technically that's correct

I think if I were Zara Philips I'd make sure I was wearing my Olympic medals during all family occasions, just to remind them who's achieved something through actual work.

It seems to me that Zara, Peter, William and Harry get on really well, but Bea and Eugenie seem to be not so close. There were stories that they were jealous of the adulation Zara got for winning the medals, even without the leg up of being princess.