Lassies of Lallybroch - SPOILERS

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New thread to discuss both the TV series of Outlander and the books by Diana Gabaldon. Discussion of spoilers allowed, if not positively encouraged.

Yes Dry there's a part in Voyager when Frank tells Claire that he's tested himself and he's been confirmed as sterile.

From my own interpretation (someone may have something else to add too) was that Claire never intended to take Bri through the stones either she didn't think she could pass or that she didn't want to subject her to the process because it's so dangerous. Claire just figured that Jamie died in Culloden and she promised Frank that she wouldn't look him up so she just made peace with herself that he was gone. It wasn't until she saw the (fake) headstone that she thought of telling Bri about it all. And then it didn't occur to her that Jamie could have survived until Rodger and Bri really started searching for clues on the men of Lallybroch that they found out that Jamie had survived.

What's the fake headstone?

Exciting news. I've just read an interview where Toni Graphia has said there will probably be more sex in season 3 as J&C fall in love again and go on an adventure when they she goes back to find him.
Season 2 had less partly because of Jamie getting over the rape and abuse frim BJR.
I'll try and find a link for the interview.

Here you go...
flavorwire.com/583852/outlander-executive-producers-toni-graphia-and-matthew-b-roberts-on-the-emotional-season-2-finale

Ooh, that's great news snozzle Although cynical me suspects it's more likely that everyone has complained about the lack of it in S2. I mean, they've obviously been having sex, we just haven't seen it on screen.

I'm also wondering how many of those scenes will be like season 1 or more like the fade to black of season 2.

Hello all

I've had to come over from the no spoiler thread as it had fizzled out by the time I got to see the final and I've got nobody to talk to about it or anything else outlander related (tiny violin!)

I've only read as far back as when that aired haven't come across any real spoilers though I know I likely will but it's that or not talk to anyone about it, I'm off work just now so even my 2 fellow OL- obsessed colleagues can't discuss it.

I read that s2 has departed a lot from the book, and from what I've read (only the first bit) it seems the tv series showed the beginning as the last episode, does much else vary as I'm thinking of reading DIA now?

Oh, and no accomplished horseman would swing their leg forward to dismount, for whoever asked.

Can't remember exactly, coz they all kind of run into each other as they're on my kindle, but I think the end of the series where Geilis goes through the stones and they realise Jamie is still alive, is the start of book 3 (Voyager).

Book 2 just starts from when they get to Paris (I think).

No I think The geili stuff is in book 2 I may be wrong but I think 2 ends with that then Rodger telling Clare Jamie didn't die and 3 begins with tracking down Jamie finding out what happened to him after culloden I think.

The difference I think is in the book meeting Briannna Rodger and that all happens at the start then flash back to Jamie then it ends back in the 60's.

That's what I thought, from reading the start of DIA it seemed to begin with 1968 and Claire retuning to meet the grown up Roger after his father dies. I just wondered how much more of what we saw was at the start. I can't quite decide whether to read it or not; I enjoyed the first one but struggled with it too. If DIA is going to mostly be about Paris I will have to skim read.

I might have missed this in my excitement about Richard Rankin showing up but why is Claire back in Scotland anyway? Would she really have gone all that way to "pay her respects" or was that a cover story for finding out what happened to Jamie now that Frank was dead?

In the books she went to introduce Brianna to her history and culture (with out her knowing) and also to find out what happened to the men Jamie saved at culloden I think. She was convinced Jamie was dead so she wasn't looking for him and refused to go to culloden ect. Paris is the books is different to the Paris we saw or at least Jamie and Claire are different while there I preferred 1 and 3 but everyone is different

She went to Scotland because of a couple of things, partly motivated by Frank's death a couple of years previously because she promised him she wouldn't tell Brianna while he was still alive and because of an incident at the hospital where she helped one of her cancer patients to die. She was then moved to a basically desk job where she wasn't dealing with patients and, clearly, she didn't like that. The old bloke happened to be from Aberdeen and she had promised him she would visit there. Moving to the unwanted job gave her the impetus to go back to Scotland.
The Geilis thing is the end of DIA, Voyager begins with Jamie waking on the battlefield and his story, interwoven with her search for him.

The fake gravestone is what sets off the whole search. She visits BJR's grave to gloat and finds a spousal stone with Jamie's name on it, beloved husband of Claire. She doesn't understand how he is buried there and not at Culloden, she tells Brianna and Roger the whole story and they start to look for evidence of Jamie. The stone was put there by Rev. Wakefield on Frank's instructions. The motives for it are ambiguous but passed off as some sort of acknowledgement of Claire's experience, more like to put her off looking though, because Frank knew Jamie had survived Culloden

Aye, to begin with, she refuses to look for Jamie at all because she knows he went back to die. Roger looks for him and finds some evidence then she begins to search. She isn't sure about going back, though, until she actually does it. Obviously, she doesn't want to leave Brianna alone.

Ah thanks lessstressed, makes more sense now.

I couldn't understand the book (the bit I read, anyway)compared to the episode as in it she arrives with a list of men supposedly who survived, asking for Rogers help, already on a mission. Whereas obviously that differs in the series, but having read that explanation I get it now.
So they've missed out the whole fake gravestone bit, then. That's a shame, sounds like it would have been quite an interesting angle, especially if the implication is that Frank had it put there to put her off going back.

Another question: isn't Roger technically distantly related to Brianna - albeit through about 7 generations?
Dougal was Jamie's uncle and the father of Roger's ancestor, if I understood that bit correctly.

Yeah not quite sure what officially they are but they are some kind of relation.

Welcome back to the fold, hud :) stay around, yes we do spoil occasionally, but we are verrah, verrah obsessed and that's what ye like, aye?

Read the books. I promise they will only enhance your experience of the show - that's definitely the case for me.

I think the only reason claire goes back to scotland is so she can look impossibly glamorous in that mac and sip whiskey by the far with wee Roger (it is testament to how much i LUFF Jamie that i pushed all inappropriate thoughts of how much stronger the chemistry between claire and roger is than between roger and brianna).

AKA, I thought that, too. Especially in the books, initially Claire and Roger have much stronger chemistry than Rog and Brianna. Although he is far too young for her, just like Jamie is, sadly, far too young for me until we get to Voyager.

Phew! I thought I was the only one who had noticed that too. Maybe if she couldn't get back to Jamie, Roger might have been an 'option' (sod Brianna 😝).

Evening

So, was daydreaming and driving , missed my turn and ended up on wrong motorway, 30min detour...bloody Outlander!!!

Hudyer I'm staying here as can't cope other the stress of 2 threads. Have started Voyager again and it's good . And thanks for clearing up the dismounting.

Doing well with the marathon binge. Onto ep 2 s2. Murtagh is a bloody hero.
Loving it all over again.

And Snozzle that article is great. Bring on S3 and out lassies road trip to the set

And when I was peeking at V the first time I also noticed a chemistry between the lovely Roger and Claire. Just realised that we may not see RR in a kilt if he goes back after Calloden.

The kilts will return Dry
We'll have to be patient but it will happen.

Having obviously only watched the series, even I noticed the chemistry between Roger and Claire - even Brianna jokes 'maybe you should date him?'
I was actually going to ask about it on here but forgot.

Soooooo, I ended up downloading voyager and was up till the wee hours last night skim reading till I got to their reunion. I figured that since I knew it was going to happen I just needed to read it to get over episode 13.
The thing I'm most excited about is that it's in Edinburgh, which is near my hometown so when they come to film it I just might be able to stalk try to visit the set if I can arrange a visit back home at the right time.

I also read over the timeline of DIA online, seems they left a lot out - Im wondering if they're going to show any of the last 20 years...?
And I see what you you all mean now about Frank being a dick.

Always wondered, what was the significance of the kilted figure looking up at Claire in the opening episode? Prompts Frank to ask her if she'd met anyone during the war.

Ghost Jamie is going to be explained in the next, as yet, unreleased book I think.

I hope they don't show much of Claire in Boston, it's the least interesting part. I hope the next series will be mostly Jamie til they reunite in Edinburgh. Or maybe they'll do the same thing as the final ep, with the two running together.

Much as CB has improved as an actress since S1, I want to see more Jamie than Claire. Or even better, lots and lots of Jamie and Claire together.

I think he swings his leg forward to dismount to flash his legs because Jamie is supposed to be an impossibly accomplish!dishes horseman. It's one of his things. He pities Duncan because he needs a soft mouthed, biddable horse that can be controlled with one hand when, obviously, hands are superfluous in horse riding, both being needed for brandishing weapons or shooting a bow while you guide your valiant steed with your manly thighs

See, I think ghost Jamie is actually dream Jamie because he appears to develop a bit of the sight. He dreams exactly of wee Jemmy and Mandy after they go back, even down to being able to describe a telephone, and he dreamt of Claire in her room lit up by electric light. Just a thought, probably complete rubbish, we shall see.