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River - BBC1 Drama

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fuzzpig · 12/10/2015 21:36

Yet another crime drama heading to our screens. I'm watching heaps of shows like this at the moment. Anyone else planning to watch?

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06jkmtf

I won't be watching live but will try to get on catch up ASAP. Looks intriguing.

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MrsJayy · 04/11/2015 08:21

Im starting to find River well the actor very attractive Blush

Fiderer · 04/11/2015 08:30

MrsJayy me too. A tall man in a coat

fuzzpig · 04/11/2015 08:46

Actually managed to watch last night's 'live' as staying with my parents and they watch it. Don't feel like much actually happened but I'm getting so much emotion from it. She really loved him :(

Thought it was interesting that he had the 'manifest' of Hader before he was actually dead.

Saw an ad for a new series, London Spy, looks interesting.

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Fiderer · 04/11/2015 08:52

When River shouted at Ira to call an ambulance why didn't he add "Lock the doors, stop anyone leaving"? We heard the groan as Haider was shot so the killer was only a few feet away.

MrsJayy · 04/11/2015 08:58

I think all that was for dramatic effect in reality they would be calling for back up and shouting. I loved the bit when Ira put his hand on Rivers shoulder

AnthonyPandy · 04/11/2015 09:16

I haven't watched last night's episode yet, but who is Haider? Is he the guy in the kebab shop who tells River the numbers of the kebabs?

MrsJayy · 04/11/2015 09:30

No its not him and if we told you it would spoil it for you get watching

AnthonyPandy · 04/11/2015 09:46

Ooh intriguing!

Fissues · 04/11/2015 11:05

Nicola Walker's in a one off drama on Radio 4 here

quirkychick · 04/11/2015 11:15

If Stevie didn't tell anyone because it is her family, is that just because she was gathering evidence? She didn't hesitate to get Jimmy sent down in the past, and should we look at Jimmy's threatening phonecall again?

Stevie seems to like helping people, she certainly helped River and also Haider. But also seems to have a strong sense of justice i.e. her family. It's painting an interesting picture of her.

The Lincoln's Inn phone was PAYG, so presumably not traceable - who else has a secret phone?

emotionsecho · 04/11/2015 11:40

I'm now wondering if Chrissie is the one Stevie was investigating, Chrissie didn't want to talk to her and her behaviour towards River is almost keeping him close so as to obfuscate the situation.

My dh always, always works out these things way before the denoument so I'm waiting for him to catch it up and see what his theory is.

Wonder why River saw Haida's manifest before he was dead and the things the manifest was saying didn't seem to be a true reflection of what had happened, was that just River projecting his own thoughts?

MrsJayy · 04/11/2015 11:43

Yeah its projection all his manifests are they are his thoughts, ooo interesting about chrissie

quirkychick · 04/11/2015 11:59

If Stevie was investigating Chrissie that might explain why Marcus is so nasty and undermining to Chrissie or maybe Stevie was investigating Marcus and so needed to talk to River, Chrissie or Chrissie's husband?

Inkanta · 04/11/2015 13:46

I don't trust this psychiatrist and her mesmerising come hither eyes.

emotionsecho · 04/11/2015 13:57

That makes sense MrsJayy, thanks, until that particular manifest I didn't make that connection duh! It seems so obvious now you've said itGrin.

Fiderer · 04/11/2015 16:25

I don't like the psychiatrist either. She seems to always have time for River, doesn't she see anyone else? Thought she might be spying for the boss bloke but remembered she's passed River in the assessment and boss wanted him gone.

Maybe it's just because she seems one-dimensional to me and the other main characters are so good.

Stevie giving the 10,000 pounds to River for Frankie makes me think her family are involved. Her uncle (is he, the car man?) was v clear about Haider being aggressive and a wrong 'un and yet towards the end of the programme it was clear Haider wasn't a murdering baddy. The uncle may just be a racist bastard though.

quirkychick · 04/11/2015 16:42

Or maybe she is spying on Marcus? She passed River, so maybe is quite independent of Marcus.

sadwidow28 · 04/11/2015 18:49

Okay, some thoughts:

  • The PAYG phone was bought from a phone shop near Lincoln's Inn
  • Chrissie Read's husband (Tom) is a "State Appointed Judge"
  • He goes to a gym (he said someone dropped dead there a month ago)
  • Is it the same gym that Stevie and Frankie went to? (Doing Weight Watchers together)
  • At the end Chrissie links with Tom and mentions Lincoln's Inn

[Phone text comes to Chrissie's phone - she reads it and tells River]
Tom's not back and it's sodding parents evening AGAIN. My bet is he's lurking around the chambers of Lincoln's Inn trying to find a bar after hours.

River lurks outside and watches Tom Read come out of the front door of 29-30 Downey Street Chambers:

Plaque on wall (in case there are names we need in future)

Third Floor
Mr B J Cross QC
Mr Tom Read
Mr Jake Mayle QC
The Chambers of Lee Gordon

Second Floor
Mr D Cane QC
Mr T Durdan QC
Mr Fergus Cook

First Floor
Ms C Littler QC
J Noble Associates
The Chambers of Mr V Maitland

And YES! I was correct. River phones the PAYG Number on Stevie's 2nd phone and Tom Read answers a 2nd phone in his left pocket. It comes up as Stevie

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sadwidow28 · 04/11/2015 19:12

Chrissie:
We now have a profile for Haider Jamal Abdi, originally from Mogadishu.
Overstayed his visa... over nine months ago.
Married, four children.
From all accounts, educated. Lectured at the university there.
No criminal record, but he is our strongest suspect, so I want you to go back through the calls we've had post-appeal.
I want you to humour every one. Every sighting, please.
We've made a shortlist of five strong leads, so it is very possible that Haider is our killer and these will lead back to him.
So, come on, let's get going... for Stevie.

Now see image of the phone call notes for Caller 112 - mentions “The Professor” Is that Haider?

Apparently, Caller 112 is Mr Lumo (the homeless man who hangs around outside Cristal Kebabs)

Ira: Mr Lumo, you called the appeal line with some information... so I'm listening.
Lumo: I speak to the general, not to the hired hand.
Ira: Put the can away. That stuff plays havoc with your teeth.
You keep saying "professor". Who's the professor?
Lumo: I want to talk to him.
Ira: Who?
Lumo: I tell the one who talks to himself where the professor is.
Ira: Where did you last see him?
Lumo: Where all the professors go to hide.

Apparently professors hide in the library. But by now we are told by Khaalid (who was hiding Haider) that he was ‘helping your friend’ (River’s friend = Stevie).

So now we know that Haider is NOT the killer - but the one person who could have helped to solve Stevie’s murder. Chrissie said that SHE doesn’t know what other investigation Stevie was working on ...... So who in the police team does know? Creepy Marcus McDonald???

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Someone upthread mentioned Michael Bennigan from Bennigan Cars who gives a totally different view of Haider.

Bennigan: Oh, didn't have your direct line.
River: It's good to see you.
Bennigan: I was hoping to avoid the state visit.
River: That's the problem with this country, it still bows down to its monarchy. How's Frankie doing?
Bennigan: Oh, he's quiet, yeah. Quiet. Missing his sister.
Jimmy's not come in today. I called round, but his mammy said he's not even got out of bed.
I know him, the man on your appeal.
He came in, about a month before we lost Stevie, looking for a job.
I didn't make the link.
There's no dignity in aging. I've got two little hearing aids, cost me a thousand quid each. I've got a prostate that my doctor sees as a money making venture and... Wait.
Oh, yeah. "Haider Jamal." Yeah, he was from somewhere in Africa. Where was it? Erm... Somalia.
Ira: Khaalid Mahmoud, dishwasher from Cristal's, he's from Somalia too.
Brannigan: That's it, yeah. That's it, yeah. Cristal's? I don't think I know it...
Ira: Kebab shop, near the Bethnal Green Road.
Brannigan: Ah, well, no more takeaways. My cholesterol is sky-high.
No, his paperwork is obviously false. You can see it pretty quick. They come in here with their fake IDs and their licences, and I send them away just as quick.
River: Can I take this?
Brannigan: Yeah, sure.
Most of the drivers have their own cars, y'know. I never saw his car myself, but I'm told it was a piece of sh1t. My engineers said that it was... Well, it stank of kebabs. And when I offered to lease him an alternative vehicle, he didn't like the terms. I quibbled his paperwork and he became aggressive. It was a short conversation but, still, it stayed with me. And then... when I saw the appeal... I mean, they... they looked pretty close.
Were they...?
I mean, there was the inference in the appeal. In some ways, I'm glad her father never saw this. I was with him... when he met Bridie. Pub in Kilburn. I was set up with her mate. And then, when Stevie became a police officer, people didn't trust Eric any more. They thought he might inform and that crushed Eric. but, there again, he'd a harder time than me.
River: You never saw prison.
Brannigan: Well, I scrubbed myself up... eventually.
You know, my girls are all married now. All privately educated.
I've got six grandkids.
River: Congratulations.
Brannigan: You know, you'd think it wouldn't have hit me like this. How are you holding up?
River: Good.
Brannigan: Yeah? You can't kid a kidder.

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sadwidow28 · 04/11/2015 19:18

I loved the bit when Ira put his hand on Rivers shoulder

Me too Mrs Jayy - me too.

And also when Stevie (manifest) was going through the dribble, drabble, speech and River actually laughed! I so want to hug this man ..... but MN don't approve of hugs. Grin

sadwidow28 · 04/11/2015 19:23

I like the theory about Chrissie Read (Detective Chief Inspector) being a wrong-un ..... but I still think it is Marcus McDonald (Assistant Commissioner).

Fiderer · 04/11/2015 19:25

Oh MN does approve of hugs. Just not those dished out because it's a Wednesday or the sky is blue.

Not that they're not good things. Hugs are great for comfort, reassurance, friendly support. Where they matter.

sadwidow28 · 04/11/2015 19:25

And if anyone is checking out dialogue:

[http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=466&t=23499 River - episode 4 - transcription]] has been posted.

sadwidow28 · 04/11/2015 19:26

Ooops! I'll do that again:

River - episode 4 -transcription has been posted.

sadwidow28 · 04/11/2015 19:45

So, I said that I thought the family was back in the frame:

  • The Mammy (Bridie) brought all the men's shaving items from Stevie's flat and gave them to River (episode 3) and suggested that 'that man might be the killer' - the DNA from the shaving gear did link to the blue Mondeo.
  • Brannigan is keen to suggest that Haider Jamal Abdi is an illegal immigrant with fake paperwork.
  • Jimmy and Frankie work for Brannigan - but Jimmy isn't getting out of bed now.
  • We know that Brannigan did NOT attend Stevie's wake (episode 3) but he had already head that River "had made Jimmy sweat".

We are learning more and more about how close Birdie (and her deceased husband Eric) and Brannigan and wife are. They are both immigrant families (from Ireland) and appear to be very intertwined. Brannigan avoided jail. Jimmy has done 14 years in jail for murder (he decapitated someone) and Stevie helped to put Jimmy away.

I have a vague recollection of Brannigan being a Godfather to one of Bridie's children..... it wasn't Stevie was it?