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Is there an Outlander thread?

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OstentatiousBreastfeeder · 28/03/2015 14:27

Started watching it on Amazon Prime last night, I'm hooked already.

Haven't read the books it's based off, which makes a nice change for me!

Anyone else?

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LillyJames86 · 19/04/2015 23:26

I'll buy the US one. Thanks!

ThatsNotEvenAWord · 20/04/2015 07:14

I had no idea about that! Shock

cardoon · 20/04/2015 07:23

Ahhhhh, I've been wondering about this.....recently bought Outlander and couldn't believe how much bigger and heavier it is compared to Cross Stitch which I read several times many years ago. It does seem a bit different in content too. Absolutely loving the series and Jamie Grin

Grantaire · 20/04/2015 08:20

Is Colum Callum or Colum in Outlander? He's Callum in Cross Stitch.

ThatsNotEvenAWord · 20/04/2015 08:59

I noticed a few spellings change between the first book at the others, eg the Gaelic for 'my brown girl' or whatever he calls her. I feel like I need to get my hands on the original Outlander now!

Grantaire · 20/04/2015 09:17

Is it mo nighean donn I think? My brown haired lass.

I'm going to see if I can find out if the US version is worth reading.

Grantaire · 20/04/2015 09:23

It doesn't seem like there are that many differences tbh. Spelling and geography are the main points. The sex scene is unremarkable and there are a couple of bits which are slightly different but not enough for me to bother reading Outlander.

If you google, there are a few sites and blogs listing the differences. Callum is indeed Colum, Alick is Alec.

I mean it would be no hardship to re-read but I really need to spend some time with my children.

Applecross · 20/04/2015 09:43

I'm agog that they toned it down for the Brits! Mind you, I suppose some US tv shows are a bit naughtier than bbc stuff! Trueblood, gave of thrones, the Tudors etc

Grantaire · 20/04/2015 09:57

The sex scene they cut out is mild. The ones left in are racier. I've no idea why they cut it out. You can read it online. It's v short.

ThatsNotEvenAWord · 20/04/2015 10:11

Ah that's ok then Smile I miss reading! I need to get back into it now my child sometimes actually sleeps...

cardoon · 20/04/2015 13:16

In my 20 year old copy of CS he's Colum and in my new copy of O he's Callum Confused

SenecaFalls · 20/04/2015 13:25

The sex scene they cut out in CS s the one where they make love in the camp with all the men sleeping around them. It was shown in the TV series.

They changed some of the names to make them more Scottish.

Redglitter · 20/04/2015 13:28

cardoon There's not that many differences that would make the book noticeably bigger/smaller. there's literally only a couple of paragraphs missing the other changes are thinks like UK spellings

cardoon · 20/04/2015 13:43

Must be just the print style accounting for size and weight then......

Redglitter · 20/04/2015 16:21

I don't buy it at all. It aired in Aug in the US realistically it was never going to air here before the referendum if a terrestrial channel bought it.

how many people would have watched it and been stupid enough to be swayed - thankfully very few. Besides even if had been shown there's no way it would have effected the outcome

personally I don't believe it's genuine.

Redglitter · 20/04/2015 16:27

just watched episode 11. Loved it. I can't see what all the complaints were on FB about it being do different to the book.

The part where Claire told Jamie about her is one of my favourite bits and they did it beautifully

the scene at the end when she makes her choice was great but I felt it lacked something from the book version. what though I don't know

Roll on next Sunday and Lallybroch Smile

Grantaire · 20/04/2015 16:45

I didn't like the fact that Geillis's decision during the trial was so prompted by Ned. IIRC, in the book it was done of her own volition, for her own reasons. That whole scene was quite different but the essence of it was unchanged. The scene where she's making her choice is so different in the book because you get Claire's stream of consciousness. It would have been jarring in the series but without it, you miss the subtleties of her thought process and the sheer weight of the decision she makes. Jamie's quiet crying was spot on. DH was also sceptical that Jamie would just accepted her story because he's otherwise painted as quite enlightened. In the book of course he doesn't believe her until he sees it with his own eyes.

I don't remember that scene in the series Seneca. The sex at the camp while the others are asleep. I must have been asleep myself.

SenecaFalls · 20/04/2015 17:09

Actually, I think I might be mistaken and it was not in the series. It was many months ago when I saw the first eight episodes, and I was re-reading the book as the series progressed so I may be confusing the two. I'll just have to watch those earlier episodes again. Smile

ThatsNotEvenAWord · 20/04/2015 17:10

red in the book her decision is much more drawn out isn't it. They could've thrown in some Frank flashbacks or something I think. Still made me cry though Smile

Redglitter · 20/04/2015 17:35

Thatsnot Yes in the book she spent hours and hours at the stones. Even that wasn't really portrayed. Her decision wasn't an easy one. it seemed far easier for TV Claire. I do agree some flashbacks of times with Frank would have been perfect

FloraFox · 20/04/2015 20:46

I think the TV portrayal of Frank is more sympathetic than the book. In the book there seemed to be a sense of tension between Claire and Frank.

I wouldn't be surprised if IndyRef was a factor in the programme not getting a TV broadcaster.

Redglitter · 20/04/2015 20:49

The book is totally from Claires pov. the TV series allows them to explore more of Frank. Diana has mentioned that a book based on Frank might be something shell do. I think it would be really interesting. The series has already changed people's opinions on him

Grantaire · 21/04/2015 09:31

Frank was a product of his day as much as Jamie was. Only, the massive life changing and catastrophic events around them were external to their marriage and happened whilst largely separated. Frank had his own struggles and battles during the war but they are only ever referred to by Claire who had her own life changing experiences whilst away from her new husband. Jamie's battles and growth directly involve Claire and are part of their growing relationship. You end up with Frank being a far less sympathetic character. He is patronising and patriarchal and selfish but so is Jamie. Except you aren't seeing Frank through the lens of a woman falling in love with him. Frank's a far more interesting character told from a different pov.

Take Laoghaire as well. You hate her, you are supposed to. Claire hates her and it's Claire's story. However, look at who she really is and it's slightly harder to despise her. She's very young indeed and been in love with Jamie for a long, long time. Her father shames her in front of Castle Leoch, accuses her of being a loose woman (NO evidence of this at all actually) and she is about to be subjected to a public beating. Jamie, the love of her life steps in and takes her punishment for her. She's just 16 and has a shitty father figure and the object of her affection is big and noble and seems to care. He then shows her more affection. He kisses her (possibly more given Jamie's later hinting about how far he's been with a woman), he absolutely leads her on. Jamie is no prospect. No money, an outlaw who will hang if the redcoats ever catch up with him and still she wants him for him. Plus, he seems to want her too. She waves him off along with the rest of the castle and pines for him. Then he comes back married to a Sassenach. The English people who make their lives miserable, who are directly responsible for Jamie's misery and erode their Scottish way of life and suddenly the man she loves and thought loved her is married to one of them and all Laoghaire knows is that it was a business arrangement and nothing to do with Jamie loving another woman. A woman who they all suspect of being something she's not whether that is a spy or a witch. I was 16 once. I wasn't completely rational either and my father wasn't a bastard, I wasn't led on by a much older man and I try really hard not to despise Laoghaire too much. I do though. I absolutely do because I filter her through Claire's thoughts. We shouldn't though. We should pity her.

fatballerina · 21/04/2015 09:46

I thought Sam is gay?I don't think there's anything going on with them in real life-according to his blog online he has a boyfriend.