The Fall, Series 2

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Series 2 of The Fall begins on Thursday 13 November, 9pm on BBC2.

Here's the trailer. youtube

Chilling performances. Are we meant to think Paul left Rose alive with food and water to please Stella?

And what will you be Katy when you grow up?
A psychopath.

Taking Paul to the forest seemed a bad idea from the start. I was watching through my fingers at one point.

The refuge scene was shocking. Realistic though - too easy for a drama to portray someone or more than one able to restrain or immobilise Jimmy - assuming the other women had been subjected to abuse from their partners it seems plausible they would be frozen with fear or anxious for children on the premises.

I strongly disagree with what you've said, the diet, and find it shocking you'd spout such nonsense about women who have suffered domestic violence

I find the 'I love you ' on Rose's wrist very disturbing.

Who and why did that?

In nearly all police series or books the detective is always wandering about on their own into things, its just that its usually a man. Also the perp is always tried to be saved if injured (I read a lot of police/detective books).
I still think Spector was looking pkeased that he had been shot and was dying. He woukd much prefer that. He probably saw it as getting one up on Stella. She had caught him but wouldn't get him IYSWIM.

I thought the finale was disappointing on quite a few levels.
Again suspension of disbelief re forest scene.

• Stella wandering on her own.

Wearing red in her interview with Spector. We never got answers to what made Stella act as she did. The subplot in the first series.

Yes, most of us thought the refuge scene realistic.

And the violent husband ( if you watched the whole series) wasn't an average man, 'easy ' for even a group of women to overpower.

I thought that was fab. I loved the subtle changes in Spector's face as Stella interrogated him. I loved how when he spoke to Olivia he was also speaking to Stella. For me, the ending was excellent and really quite ambiguous as to whether he survives or not.

I agree that the 'I love you' was chilling. I can't decide if it was for Stella or Olivia but I do definitely think it was done by Spector.

Well it was better than the end of the Missing. I can't see a third one happening. Hasn't she got to go back to the UK now? Unless it's like Prime Suspect with a different story. I did fine myself asking "what would Jane do?" At times. GA has a touch of a Helen Mirren about her.

I thought the babysitters mother would have been shown at least sone of the time.

Im sure Stella was only panicking over Spector being shot because it would be an epic cock up of the police at having a suspect killed in police custody before going to trial. I loved it and cant wait for series 3.

Im glad the forest wasnt used for a horrific murder scene as I feared it might be since its one of my favourite places. I was there while they were filming it (and being a massive xfiles geek was soooo excited to see it was Gillian Anderson there. shes so awesome, of course she can run around forests in high heels shes been doing it all her life - it reminded me of darkness falls).

rasta - you do know there's an X-Files thread on here, right? We watch an episode each week.

feathertree, what exactly did you think.was nonsense about my view? I hope you do understand that my anger was directed at the way the women were portrayed and not at the actions of women who are reluctant to stand up to a villian in real life. I would not be so callous as to blame the victim. It is about giving women the courage to feel empowered against a violent man. And not to make them feel that this is how a victim reacts.

I myself, did not stand up to my husband when he threw me off the bed whilst I was 9 months pregnant, when he punched me in the face and gave me a black eye, when he covered my body with bruises before the previous ones had healed and smashed a tin of paint all over my head in anger. I felt scared of spoiling my marriage and thought I was not worth saving. However, once I was free from him and out of his clutches, I realised he had nothing on me and after that, my response was very different. I found my voice and my strength to face up to him. It was in light of this that I was dissappointed at the women being portrayed as feeble. Although their response may be realistic, I would have liked to see them overpower him.

How awful, thank god that's over for you now. FWIW I did think the women were quite brave in that scene, I'm not sure what I would have done!

Just caught up.
Ending was slightly predictable, however the acting was absolutely compelling especially the interview scene between Gibson/Spector.

To me, it looked like Spector was smelling her as she cradled him.

hi

hoping to contribute here tomorrow I have a viewing planned

I found most of your comments quite offensive, Thediet.

However, once I was free from him and out of his clutches, I realised he had nothing on me and after that, my response was very different. I found my voice and my strength to face up to him. It was in light of this that I was dissappointed at the women being portrayed as feeble

Well good for you. For others the effects of DV remain with them even after the perpetrator has stopped and been removed and make them afraid of similar situations, people, physical contact and violence etc etc. Very similar effects often suffered to post traumatic stress disorder, and all that entails.

I don't see in what way were the women feeble? They valiantly attempted to defend a woman from her hardened, violent criminal husband. They did all the right things, in my opinion; they removed the children, raised the alarm, tried to reason, i.e. ask him to leave, then tried to use force against him. Somebody, 'ordinary' women, and men (with no DV background) would find difficult, and be afraid, to tackle.

Thediet- that's an awful experience you've been through : ( Glad to hear you sounding strong now though.

I didn't particularly like the Fall's frequent portrayal (ime) of women as victims (including Stella), the refuge scene seemed to follow that but i am no expert. I am sure there's a wide-range of experience felt by victims of dv. Sad to see one such real victim attacked on here! Not nice especially when she's been frank in justifying her views.

Were the women portrayed as feeble? I'm not sure - I saw them in shock at a violent man intruding unexpectedly on their safe house, I saw them grabbing their children and getting them out of the way, and then someone pulling themselves together and smashing him over the head.

My lasting reaction to the scene was, oh god, that really happens in safe houses when the the partners find out where they are

Where did I attack her, Oxon? I said I found her views offensive (I do, it makes me cross and upset in fact), explained why, and outlined some of the usual effects of domestic violence on those who have survived it, including post traumatic stress disorder, depression etc etc

I thought Rose carved "I love to" and hadn't quite finished "Tom"

A bit hard i thought to use "offensive" about this to an actual dv victim! She has her views, you have yours. Both valid, both acceptable, neither offensive.

In line with her video about loving and being loved.

I thought it was a great episode but they could've still ended on a Cliff hanger by not blacking out mid scene - maybe pull back to see a ambulance racing from the edge of the forest...

I was expecting Spector to shout at Beardy about corruption and blow the gaff - but I don't know if Spector knows Beardy was the visitor.

Try looking up effects of domestic violence, or some such, before you dismiss them, Oxon and The diet. On a DV survivor's mental health, flinching at being touched physically, flashbacks to their experiences.

It doesn't just 'go' because you're no longer with the perpetrator, and if it does, then that's good news indeed, but do not presume that is the same for everybody. The usual response isn't usually so positive.

And yes, I found it offensive.