What did you think of The Honourable Woman?

[LauraPashley]

I can't decide! MG for me veered between really good and really annoying. Loved her clothes tho. Is she in a relationship with the nanny?

I said several pages ago that Samir Mishal (sp?) is the father which I stick by.

Interesting that Ephra asked if he was the father.

I like that theory, Suede.

I like that theory too. So either burned face man or The dead man could be the father and would fit that story line.

I definitely agree that the paternity of the boy is not the secret and something deeper is.

Maybe he did know it was a trap but willingly walked into it in the hope of getting some info/because of his love for Nessa?

Ephra holds at least one key to one secret IMO –but I think there are more keys and more secrets than just the one and I agree that he may well be a 'bad guy'.

Not sure there's anything honourable about any of them!
Nessa arranging security guy's killing & lying about her son, Attica boffing Ephra in the kitchen while his pregnant wife's upstairs, Rachel just seems a bit cold so far.
None of them seem to be too worried about the boy either, it's all about "the secret"

Maybe because Nessa was perceived to be "the Honourable Woman" but was actually flawed like the rest of us, she was singled out to be a high ranking spy & is struggling to cope with it all, due to her personal life complicating her spy life?

Going to download the story thus far & re watch with new eyes thanks to this thread !

I thought the 'honour' was as simple as the fact we saw her becoming a peer at the beginning of the series.

Then as the series unfolds the 'honour' becomes increasingly ironic.

Attica's name means honourable. But I don't think that it refers to her.

Isitmylibrarybook makes a good point about Angie and Rachel being honourable women. So far neither of them have harmed anyone, unlike Nessa and Attica or indeed the head spy who woke up in yer man's bed or the one with the long dark hair who had the American bumped off.

Ah yes you might be right Thursday
As in the Right Honourable Nessa Stein

I feel for Rachel. She's probably cold as a defence mechanism for all the bullshit that goes on around her. Plus KP is fab.

Ah yes the Right Honourable......:)

Wierd just been watching a film with her brother Jake in it, not obviously alike on first glance but some of the facial expressions & phrasing are spookily similar.

Ooh that's interesting about Attica meaning honourable.

I thought that Nessa had sent the bodyguard to his death (by telling the person on the phone that the secret was no longer safe) but DP disagreed. Glad that the Guardian blog agrees with me :)

I also agree that the bodyguard's "extreme sensitivity to threat" turned out to be a bit faulty. I couldn't watch the mincer scene. Too grim.

I didn't really get those scenes with Nessa on the phone to the kidnappers.

How does 'is the secret safe?' 'Yes/no' translate to Nessa understanding that means the death of Nathaniel?

I think I'm being blinded by my assumption that the secret is that the baby is Nessas that I can't see clearly hoping that's the point and I'm not simply thick

'How does 'is the secret safe?' 'Yes/no' translate to Nessa understanding that means the death of Nathaniel?'

I still don't get that, either! And there was that conversation in the lift between Nathaniel and Nessa's assistant/advisor, where the advisor tells him something (I can't remember what) and then answers the question he asks by saying 'I don't know; she just told me to tell you.'

I'm sure this has something to do with it, but I don't understand what.

Me either

Nessa's assistant told him to go on his mission deep under cover , which Nathaniel took to mean that if it went horribly wrong Nessa didn't want a link to her. He thought he was protecting her by agreeing to this. Actually it meant that he could be killed without it easily being discovered.

I think Nessa knew that the secret is not safe because Nathaniel was on the trail to working something out. And she knew that by admitting that to the man on the sat phone , she was signing his death warrant. Hence her rushing to Attica and telling her she'd done a dreadful thing. She obviously needed to keep track of where Nathaniel was in his sleuthing otherwise she wouldn't have asked the weird man to put spyware on N's laptop, that she kindly furnished him with.

I think she has sold her soul to both sides and now they are both extracting payment.

So her saying on the sat-phone that the secret wasn't safe alerted burnt-face man to the fact that Nathaniel was potentially on the right trail, and triggered him coming and killing the last remaining links to the kidnap driver and then killing Nathaniel? Is that it?

Mmmm , I think so. But I also think burnt face man has got a bigger plan. He was picked up by a man in Arab dress from the airport , through which he passed carrying an Israeli passport. So I'm a bit confused as to whose side he plays for and what his real job is.

I think suede has a point here. We are all assuming the "secret" is about the child's father when it could be something bigger. My theory is that a deal was done when Nessa and Attica were released - something that relates to Nessa taking over the running of the company from Ephra (why? for who's benefit?). DH also came up with a theory that the contract to lay high speed broadband (or whatever) cables could actually mean more than that and whoever does it is also required to set the infrastructure up so that it can be used to spy on the general population of the area - I rather like that theory...

oh yes - that's a good theory Rockdoctor. Still a lot of episodes to go aren't there so there is lots of time for more twists....

When Nessa's blonde assistant gave a message from Nessa to mustard jumper spy bloke (in the lift before the abbatoir mission) 'Nessa told me to tell you what you saw was right' or similar - wtf did that mean?

That what he was on the right track to finding the kidnappers? After all, he needed that extra push to ensure that he kept sleuthing even if it took him down a dangerous path. And it wasn't any skin off Nessa's nose to disclose that as she knew he was going to be terminated.