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Telly addicts

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391 replies

viagrafalls · 06/01/2014 21:04

Anyone watching ?

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Tiredemma · 28/01/2014 10:57

If Mark and Becky came on ehre and described how tough they've had it and hw they've done their best, fighting uphill against special needs and misunderstanding and difficulty, sympathy would abound.

This is very true- in fact I wouldnt be at all surprised if Mnetters started offering them clothes/food/ money via paypal.

Nancy66 · 28/01/2014 11:21

But if Fungi came on here saying how much he loved his kids and would do anything for them - as he was last night - then he'd be lying wouldn't he?

'Anything' bar: giving up drugs, getting a job, stopping boozing, quitting criminal activity, paying his bills and cleaning his house up.

hickorychicken · 28/01/2014 11:45

Also nobody would tell the whole story, fungi taking methadone but using drugs too. Wouldnt it be nice if he got clean, and had rehgular contact with his kids. Not likely though, and his sons adoptive parents will never be in touch after seeing this programme which is really sad because he wouldnt hAve thought aboutt that when agreeing to take part.

NinjaBunny · 28/01/2014 12:54

"I'm the unluckiest guy on the planet. Nothing good happens to me."

Watching it on 4OD. That made me well up.

He really needs a hug. As well as many other things.

:(

salsmum · 28/01/2014 13:43

Does anyone else see the irony? White Dee was accused of trying to steal from vulnerable tenants (quote) and then is severely depressed last week at the prospect of her benefits being cut by over a hundred £ a week..I'm sure many would agree that she could also be seen as vulnerable...could Karma be coming back round to her? Hmm.

ScooseIsLoose · 28/01/2014 14:22

I don't feel sorry for funghi in the least I feel sorry for the people he held up at gunpoint having had that happen to me I have no sympathy whatsoever for drug addicts who then decide to rob innocent people who are just doing their job they might be able to take their drugs and forget about it but their actions stay with the victims

hootloop · 28/01/2014 14:37

What makes me sad is that I live 15 minutes drive from Winson Green but it seems like a different world to here.
I have been down there lots of times and talked about how it used to be a desirable area my grandparents aspired to live there, but sad it is now a bit rough without really realising how hard life can be so close to our 'nice' area.

hickorychicken · 28/01/2014 15:28

Did fungi hold someone up at gunpoint? Shock

ScooseIsLoose · 28/01/2014 15:41

Didn't he say he served 4 years in prison for armed robbery

Nancy66 · 28/01/2014 15:41

yes his first offence was armed robber at a McDonalds.

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Nancy66 · 28/01/2014 16:38

Actually Holey I think people have every right to judge someone like Fungi.

He has never worked, never contributed a penny to the pot and said in an earlier episode that he never will because he doesn't want to work. At all. Ever.

He has been to prison many times, sometimes for years on end. He could have got clean then, he could have got some qualifications. He could just take himself to NA or AA meetings if he wanted.

I think it's very unlikely that in his 23 years of being an addict that he hasn't been offered any help whatsoever. Far more likely he doesn't want it.

He's held people up at gunpoint. In a McDonald's restaurant. Can you imagine how terrifying that would have been for the people in there? He's stolen goods from small business owners trying to scrape a living.

So I will judge him. He's a cunt.

marzipanned · 28/01/2014 17:30

Have just watched the first two episodes. Am surprised that amidst all the "their houses look like shit!" posts nobody has mentioned S.B (? sorry if I've got those initials wrong) the single Mum who had escaped DV, was trying her absolute best to avoid repeating the cycle with her kids and found work during the course of the show (and looked like she had a much cleaner home than I do...) I imagine that she is probably far more representative of most of the people in that neighbourhood than the others we've seen.

I always feel very torn by these kinds of things. Agree that the situations are far more complex than we can possibly know (it's TV, it's for entertainment/shock value) and that breaking the cycle of inter-generational abuse and chaos is extremely hard. Those who have said that they/their parents worked their way out of poverty - yes, but poverty isn't the only issue with most of the families we're seeing.

OTOH I agree with rainy who posted way upthread that we simply can't just attribute criminality to a poor upbringing. Our legal system doesn't work that way, for a good reason.

And Holey I completely agree with your last paragraph on the treatment of addiction, but I do know (through volunteering) people in the UK who have kicked heroin addiction and completely reversed the courses of their lives - help is available but it's very much a question of wanting enough to access and use it.

Nancy66 · 28/01/2014 17:54

marzi - that's a good point. I really admired S.B. Violent partner, still born daughter and no money. She seemed really determined though, hope is one of the few that breaks the cycle.

I also though Caitlin, White Dee's daughter, was a terrific kid.

marzipanned · 28/01/2014 19:49

Yes, totally agree re Caitlin. And I was so sad that White Dee wasn't encouraging her more with the work experience, despite saying that she wanted her kids to have jobs...

kylesmybaby · 28/01/2014 19:52

How does it work. Is the Monday one repeated on a Tuesday.?

Tiredemma · 28/01/2014 20:05

yes its on ch 4 again tonight at 10pm

eslteacher · 28/01/2014 22:53

I'm just watching it now, for the first time ever. I feel awful about that Fungi guy. That newspaper clipping he'd put on his wall saying 'it's about what the kids need, not what you want' or something like that...so true. Horrible when he got so excited about seeing his son then it was cancelled at the last minute, but at the same time would it really be good for his son to see him, given that he probably calls another, very different, guy dad...

I don't know, the guy has obviously done some terrible stuff, but there is obviously a lot of good in him...just so dragged down by circumstances, ingrained habits and probably his own weaknesses too.

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Roshbegosh · 29/01/2014 06:38

I agree with posts above that SB was doing her best and I did admire her. The sad thing is to think of how her life might have been if she hadn't started getting pregnant at 16. She had a stillbirth and then two healthy children all when she was still so young herself. I think she could have had a good life if she had put the motherhood off a few years, even at 16 she must have known she could go on the pill. Why do some people make these choices?

I do feel sorry for Fungi too but if I had adopted his child three years ago I would not allow contact either, I can't see how the child would be helped by it in the long or short term and Fungi's feelings are simply irrelevant in that situation.

JakeBullet · 29/01/2014 07:43

it should also be said that drug and alcohol addiction cessation support services can be patchy. A lot depends upon where you live.

Even if you DO get successfully through a Methadone programme for example you still need support to get off the Methadone. The last addict I worked with was very successful but needed funding for a residential placement to help her wean off the last of the Methadone. This funding had to be applied for a took nearly a year to be agreed.

Addiction is horrible, lonely and destructive, getting clean requires intensive support which is not always available. ...although services ARE better now.

Tiredemma · 29/01/2014 07:50

I think its incredibly hard to get clean and stay clean in an area that is riddled with drugs. Not just a minor drug problem- a whole vast area that is largely controlled by drug gangs.
I wouldnt live in Winson Green if it was rent free. Ive worked there - its hell on earth.

Tiredemma · 29/01/2014 07:54

Sorry- S.B., level headed girl. Given the right opportunity she would flourish, I do wish she would give up on the modelling dream because although she is reasonably attractive, I dont think she is model material. She could channel her determination into getting some qualifications and a better job- I think she would improve her feeling of self worth then.
It seemed that she wanted her ex-boyf to see that she could be a model- I think she would gain equal gratification from showing her arsehole ex that she can keep a roof over the heads of her children through her own employment, doesnt have to be modelling.

Nancy66 · 29/01/2014 09:09

Holey- good for your friend. I have known addicts too and I'm telling you now that Fungi will never get his act together and that, I'm afraid, is largely down to him and the choices he is making.

Like I said, if Fungi hasn't been given chance after chance I would be staggered.