Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Telly addicts

DOCTOR WHO SERIES 7! 1st September...

999 replies

snapespeare · 22/08/2012 15:57

I have been waiting for this for a very long time! :-)

OP posts:
RustyBear · 30/09/2012 11:17

Of course, he went to great lengths (literally) to get away from Captain Jack, who wasn't ageing at all, or at least, imperceptibly.....

CaseyShraeger · 30/09/2012 11:20

Also, the as someone who said up-thread, River (who makes the comment) is in a special position because the Doctor KNOWS when she's going to die, so every physical or other change she ticks off on the way there will be particularly painful for him. I'll bet he doesn't like seeing her age (especially now she's Professor Song and could go at any moment).

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 30/09/2012 11:21

well allow me to really hate one beautiful woman on television saying to another beautiful woman on television; 'don't let him see you age'... Hmm yuck.

RustyBear · 30/09/2012 11:23

Well, River thinks she knows the Doctor, but she may not always be right about him...

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 30/09/2012 11:24

yes, that's true rusty.

edam · 30/09/2012 11:41

Very true re. one beautiful woman saying that to another beautiful woman, aitch.
I like Casey's point about River ageing being painful because he knows when she's going to die. Makes it less horrible if it's not a general aversion to women getting a few wrinkles.

Btw, you can be a Professor even if you don't hold that job any more - a Professor Emeritus (i.e. for life). I used to work for one who was a real sweetie, he'd always introduce himself as Alan, not Professor Emeritus Sir Alan. His mate turned up for lunch one day and introduced himself as Bill - I only found out later he was Admiral Sir William... that's real class, not showing off about all your titles.

droves · 30/09/2012 11:42

Can anyone answer this ? . If Rory is the centurian who waited 2000 years outside the pandoras box thingy {cant remember its proper name} and didnt look a day different , then why when Rory , Amy and the Doctor stumbled into that appartment in manhatten , was Rory-in-the-bed-who-was-dying an old wrinkly man then ?

Did he not also have robot type stuff in him ? or am i more confused than i think i am? i could have sworn the real Rory died , and centurian Rory was a fake roary who somehow got real Rorys memories ????? (It would explain why he and amy couldnt have any more kids after river/melody a bit better than Amy saying in previous episode that she couldnt have kids because of " what happened at demons run " ....er no Rory being a robot would sort of explain it better ? " . Did Amy get amnesia or something ? why doesnt she remember that rory is actually fake rory ....and thats why he couldnt die !!!! ARRRGGGGHHH .

So many plot holes ..... think the writers are hoping its not questioned at all , or put down to an unwritten paradox ? Wink .

River was looking a bit rough.

edam · 30/09/2012 11:45

Centurian Rory turned into a human being. I think it was something soppy like Amy's lurrrrve for him or something that did the trick.

TheAngelshavetheOod · 30/09/2012 11:47

Centurion Rory happened in a different time line that the Dr changes but they still remembered him

TheAngelshavetheOod · 30/09/2012 11:48

He was an auton but his love for Amy over ruled his auton side

RustyBear · 30/09/2012 11:48

The Doctor reset the universe when he took the TARDIS into the crack, so Rory went back to normal, Amy's parents reappeared, everything was as it would have been if the crack had never appeared in Amy's bedroom. But that meant the Doctor disappeared from Time, and Amy had to bring him back by remembering him (helped by River who appeared at the wedding, walking by the window).

I think.

Overwhelmedmummy · 30/09/2012 11:52

When the doctor rebooted the universe everything went back to how it should have been i.e. Rory human again, Amy's parents back...

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 30/09/2012 11:52

aha! so while we're on the subject... can you explain (again) about the final shot with the wee girl? i know you said it last night but i didn't understand.

amy is saying 'go and tell the little waiting girl all about my adventures'. why, and and when?

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 30/09/2012 11:54

(scuse the paraphrasing, obv, but i watched it three weeks ago)

CaseyShraeger · 30/09/2012 11:55

Are characters who are beautiful women not allowed to be wrong, then? Although it would be useful to explore how much and in what ways she's wrong, which we won't get to do with the Ponds now.

Stepping outside the shows internal universe, there is clearly a problem in that most female major roles (in general) go to young attractive women and most companions only stick around for a couple of years, so in practice the Doctor has a constant stream of young and attractive females who never age particularly and that's not necessarily sending a good message even if the message is accidental.

In fact River has been a welcome exception in that, while beautiful, she's older than the standard companion and she's stuck around. But I agree with you insofar as that that makes it infuriating that she's the character chosen to be insecure about ageing (although it's not entirely out of character, as she never originally expected to have to age and die). Also, of course, they've written themselves into a corner and she can't stick around indefinitely getting older and older to offset her current insecurity.

I suppose essentially yes, I agree it was unnecessary and could/should have been better written. But I disagree that Eleven's being written as a superficial youth-obsessed git, because his actions and words don't match what River says. On a hypothetical third hand, River is being written as more insecure than necessary.

droves · 30/09/2012 11:57

So if centurian Rory was ina different time line , then Rory did not wait 2000 for Amy , but is living off someone elses romatic gesture ? He did mention it , and " keeps dying" , but if thats all another timeline then it wouldnt actually be that Rory and the very fact its mentioned as a memory make it a paradox ?
I thougt it was established in rose episodes that although parallell timelines do exist they shouldnt be crossed over or cracks in the space time continum occur .

And that the memories of one person in parallel timeline wouldnt transfer or be availiable to the " same person " in another parallel timeline as they wouldnt have lived the same life ?

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 30/09/2012 11:59

oh they're totally allowed to be wrong... i just think that in what is essentially a kids' show, i absolutely winced at my dds being exposed to that sort of insecurity in the face of an unyieldingly youthful male hero.

and i think we may be being a bit generous with the 'she's allowed to be wrong' thing tbh... i think Moff might reckon it's a legitimate character trait in his guy.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 30/09/2012 12:02

i mean what was it that she said 'it makes him sad'? wasn't it? (can't relaly remember). i mean boo hoo if it does, sonny jim, you're the one snatching people up and taking them out of their timelines/aging them faster/putting them in mortal peril.

agree, however, she may have got this wrong... but yuck to Moff expressing it in the first place.

droves · 30/09/2012 12:03

.... And if the doctor reset the universe , why did nt he go back and reset it before rose got trapped ? . Has it got to do with his regeneration point ? can he only go back and do a reset up to the 11 th and not back to the tenth incarnation

RustyBear · 30/09/2012 12:12

There could be lots of reasons why Rory kept his memories (and so did Amy, she remembered that he had been the centurion)- maybe because he'd been through the crack himself, maybe it had something to do with the TARDIS, maybe because they were 'at the eye of the storm', which was Ten's explanation for why everyone on the Valiant remembered 'the year that never was'

Aitch -I think I need to rewatch the end of Season 5 again to remember exactly the sequence of events, and the bit I'm struggling with at the moment is that if the univse has been reset and the crack never appeared in Amelia's bedroom, why was Amelia waiting anyway?

I have to got out now, but will rewatch and try to figure it out...

cakebot · 30/09/2012 12:27

Yes, on the ageing thing, I think River is wrong too. She is seeing her husband looking at her all sad eyed, as she gets older, thinking he hates that she is ageing, but he is looking at her knowing that her last days are coming upon him. She doesn't know she is going to die in the library. I read the River/Amy scene as her insecurity, rather than him being repulsed by ageing women.
Also, do you think River goes back to see Amy in the past to give her the book and tell her to write the postscript? Why can she go back to them but not the Doctor? Did I miss something?

RustyBear · 30/09/2012 12:28

Actually I realised half way down the stairs that the Doctor could still have crash landed in Amelia's garden, so the meeting could still have taken place without the crack ever being there.

Droves - the reset was because the TARDIS exploding was what caused the crack in the first place, the Doctor went back to prevent that, which left him stuck and only existing in Amy's memories. So it was only reset to what would have happened without the crack.

(My iPad now automatically puts TARDIS in capitals...)

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 30/09/2012 12:32

cheers, rusty. it is important () because apparently the moff has been telling people that he had that last shot in mind for two years. so am annoyed that i don't get it.

oh i DOOOOOOO HOOOOOOPE that river was so encouraging because she knows that they will go back and be her parents. Grin that would make me profoundly happy.

ChoccyJules · 30/09/2012 12:44

I don't get it either, Aitch, cos Amy writing in the afterword of the book, is telling him to (paraphrasing) 'go to Amelia and tell her to be patient as she'll have fab adventures one day'. If he goes, well, he's there isn't he, so she'll stop waiting in the cold garden (or back in the house if she's sensible)...but of course he won't travel with her yet as she's a child SO when he turns up yet again and Amy's now a grown-up strippergram how come she gets so cross with him for not coming back in the inetervening years. If he's now (due to reading the book) going to do just that?
Am mighty confuddled Confused

This thread is full - go here for the continued discussion.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread