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We hope it's not The Final Problem. Sherlock - 9pm Sunday - BBC1

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givemushypeasachance · 15/01/2012 10:56

I thought it might be an idea to start a new thread for The Reichenbach Fall since The Hounds got its thread up to over 200 pages since last Sunday!

Non-spoilery vague preview description: "Sherlock and John lock horns with their old enemy in one final problem that tests loyalty and courage to their very limits. Sherlock must fight for his reputation, his sanity and his life. But is he all he claims to be?"

BBC link for The Reichenbach Fall

Take note of the later start time of 9pm. Get your deerstalkers and spiffy pocket magnifiers ready!

OP posts:
Fiderer · 20/01/2012 16:30

Time it took me to type all that and now they've all buggered off.

Ne'er fear, Rhubarb, I'm still here. My mind is more concerned with cerebral matters.

LetUsPrey · 20/01/2012 16:31

Calm yourself TheRhubarb. I'll be frequenting both threads. I had been considering proposing starting a Benedict Lust thread.

No idea about where a disguise fits in.

Also, A) He is real. B) I would never hate him. C) He wouldn't be out all day acting out sex scenes with beautiful women because he'd be too exhausted to move. D) The comparison with previous shags would be favourable to me . E) I also snore and fart like a trooper so we have much in common.

I shall shuttle between threads so you don't miss my insightful Sherlockian comments .

TheRhubarb · 20/01/2012 16:31

Ok, in IT terms this is quite interesting. "TCP protocol operations may be divided into three phases. Connections must be properly established in a multi-step handshake process (connection establishment) before entering the data transfer phase. After data transmission is completed, the connection termination closes established virtual circuits and releases all allocated resources."

"To establish a connection, TCP uses a three-way handshake. Before a client attempts to connect with a server, the server must first bind to a port to open it up for connections: this is called a passive open. Once the passive open is established, a client may initiate an active open. To establish a connection, the three-way (or 3-step) handshake occurs:"

So after data has been exchanged, the connection is terminated. It is re-established with a 3 way handshake (or possibly the checking of one's pulse? Did Watson use 3 fingers to do this?)

TheRhubarb · 20/01/2012 16:33

Prey - you're still under a warning remember.....?

Benedict is very nice but even George Clooney stood butt naked with a bottle of champers would not drag me from my Sherlock musings. My Holmes addiction runs deep.

TheRhubarb · 20/01/2012 16:35

Fiderer, he became a fugitive. That's pretty out of character. As is throwing yourself in front of a moving bus..........

...........hang on. Wasn't his life saved all those times?

Oh and hang on even further - the first assassin who saved his life, didn't he also shake his hand to say thank you?

TheRhubarb · 20/01/2012 16:36

MOFFAT, WHERE ARE YOU? I GAVE YOU A SODDING LINK MATE SO THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS TELL ME US IF I'M WE'RE RIGHT!

CaveMum · 20/01/2012 16:38

I'm not trying to steal people away from this thread, I just thought by having a dedicated BC thread elsewhere we could concentrate on the Sherlock stuff on this thread, rather than fill this one up with continuous links to sexy videos [whistles nonchalantly]

Grin @ LetUsPrey

CaveMum · 20/01/2012 16:41

Oooooo RhubarbTheAllKnowing you might have hit on something there!! Well sleuthed!

[Awaits Moffats announcement that Mumsnet figured it out first]

Surya · 20/01/2012 16:44

See, all this IT terminology thing is making me think that DH is on to something with his Android theory

But I know what you mean about being a master at disguise, and we haven't seen any of it in this version.

TheRhubarb · 20/01/2012 16:46

There will be NO SODDING ANDROIDS in Sherlock Holmes, thankyouverymuch!

Yes, the handshake, that HAS to be significant. He shook the hand of one of his assassins who had just saved his life. They were saving the life of Holmes because he had something they wanted. Would they really want to see him end his life and take that key code with him?

Was the keycode actually in the handshakes?

TheRhubarb · 20/01/2012 16:48

dammit gotta go. Dh is back and as much as he supports my "little" obsession he won't want me eating into what is now officially 'weekend' with Sherlockian theories. Although I will try and sneak on over the weekend when he's not looking. I'll distract him with a phone call ..... Grin

OnlyANinja · 20/01/2012 16:49

No androids? There already is one. You didn't think Sherlock was human, did you? Mycroft is his creator, not his brother.

OnlyANinja · 20/01/2012 16:50

There is no keycode. There can't be. No such thing. Computers don't work like that.

LetUsPrey · 20/01/2012 16:51

I made a note about him shaking the hand of the first assassin who saved his life! It's in amongst a lot of other crap I wrote down but it's still there.

Fiderer · 20/01/2012 17:17

There must have been 2 lots of assassins then.

The first lot (4?) tracking SH, living close to him and each determined to save his life and so get the (non-existent) keycode before the other first-lot assassins. Hence the life-saving and subsequent killing as SH shook his hand in case the life-saver could get close to SH and the code.

Then the second lot hired to kill Watson, Mrs H and Lestrade. Paid in advance and stood down when SH was seen to "fall".

Or am I over-assassin/theorizing?

LetUsPrey · 20/01/2012 17:27

Think you're right that there were two lots of assassins Fiderer. No idea if it has any significance.

Fiderer · 20/01/2012 18:23

Me neither Grin Have a feeling we'll keep musing and pondering a while yet though.

HarrietJones · 20/01/2012 18:55

Where is Moffat? Or Gatiss ? We need to know if we you lot are getting close!

I asked for the webchat btw. They suggested naked BC might not be suitableShock

TheRhubarb · 20/01/2012 19:29

Right, this is it. Did I mention my updated blog on this topic by the way? Oh I did? Oh well.

Right, a handshake in computing terms is a way of establishing connections. When Holmes shook the hand of that assassin who had just pulled him from out of the way of the car, the camera focused on that. Why?

If you look at what a 3-way-handshake is then the first handshake is a way of establishing communications. The second handshake is a form of acknowledgment of that - why the prolonged focus on the handshake of Moriarty and Holmes? The third handshake is a sequence of information that the receiver is expecting. Now when you consider that the episode is largely focused on this so-called key code/binary code you can see that this begins to make sense. Was the third handshake the pulse-taking by Watson? Was that the final signal to someone?

And as Holmes had already been saved twice that day, it is inconceivable to think that they would allow him to kill himself. He had already tried standing in front of a bus remember?

So the bit where Holmes acts out of character?
Shaking the assassins hand who saved him
Standing in front of a bus
Shaking the hand of Moriarty
Jumping off a tall building

This might all be nonsense of course, but it's lovely to think that equally, it might not be!

I am spending waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on this!

Lexilicious · 20/01/2012 19:37

nicely expounded! I don't now need to ask DH to unpack my "handshakes are an IT thing aren't they dear" germ of an idea from earlier.

TheRhubarb · 20/01/2012 19:42

you have germs of ideas? Ugh!

I'm not so sure now as Moffat says they actually filmed part of what really happened and that it all makes sense?
Hmmmm?

JollyBear · 20/01/2012 19:55

Is shaking hands out of character though?

I thought Holmes saying to Molly 'I want you' was the most out of character aspect. He did it in a 'come hither' suggestive way rather than 'I'd like some help'.

I can't understand all the computer code whatsit!

TheRhubarb · 20/01/2012 20:06

He jumped in that van, I'm sure of it. But Watson rounded that corner too quickly for a body swap in that time. What could they have filmed that would make sense? They filmed part of what really happened? How?

My brain hurts!

LineRunner · 20/01/2012 20:08

He loves John Watson. He is crying because he knows he won't be able to see him for months, maybe years.

Greenknowe · 20/01/2012 20:57

Ok, so I'm definitely overthinking this, but I wonder if Moffat/Gatiss et al had the vague plot of the Final Problem in mind when they chose St Bart's for Sherlock to 'work' at in Series 1. The ambulance station makes a good physical/visual block for Watson, and St Bart's doesn't actually have an A&E department in RL...allowing further potential for a body swap.

I'll go back to my Wine now....