We hope it's not The Final Problem. Sherlock - 9pm Sunday - BBC1

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I thought it might be an idea to start a new thread for The Reichenbach Fall since The Hounds got its thread up to over 200 pages since last Sunday!

Non-spoilery vague preview description: "Sherlock and John lock horns with their old enemy in one final problem that tests loyalty and courage to their very limits. Sherlock must fight for his reputation, his sanity and his life. But is he all he claims to be?"

BBC link for The Reichenbach Fall

Take note of the later start time of 9pm. Get your deerstalkers and spiffy pocket magnifiers ready!

LadyClarice, it's fine, it's just that I work with the internet and find it intriguing that someone would hack into her files simply to load a video onto YouTube. Reporters would have published it.

In any case, I was merely questioning for my own curiosity and not seeking to imply that she wasn't telling the truth or that she wasn't embarrassed by it. Indeed, I haven't given a link to the video have I? Sorry if my questions implied that I was being rude about her or the video, I really have no interest either way.

Benedict is ok, he makes a good Sherlock actually so every credit to him and more credit to Martin Freeman for the way he portrays Watson. So many actors have portrayed him as a bit of a fool, a foil for Holmes genius. But Watson was an army medical doctor, an intelligent man and that's exactly how Freeman portrays him. Wonderful stuff!

Just about to settle down and re-watch Hound for any subtleties.

Agree with what you say about Martin Freeman's Watson TheRhubarb. The character is both very well written and well acted. I do have a vague recollection that Watson in the books is an intelligent person - he is a doctor after all - and some of the previous incarnations have made him a bit bumbly.

DH is out, the DC are going to bed soon and then it's time for me to get my notebook and pen!

(note how suggestible Watson is when in the lab and how Holmes goes on about seeing what we expect to see - I reckon this relates to him seeing Holmes in The Final Problem)

JW and SH talking about Cluedo:
"It's not actually possible for the victim to have done it, Sherlock"
"Well it should be!"
Mind you, that might apply to the Aluminium Crutch story.

"Liberty In Death - the only true freedom." ooh, look at this

Couple of mistakes in this episode that shouldn't have been done that way if they had researched army things: Watson salutes back to the corporal at the Baskerville base although he isn't in uniform with headdress on, and they go walking off with torches on to look for the hound, thereby ruining their night vision. JW's training would have covered Not Using Torches in week one.

The thing when Henry wakes in the night and with the garden lights coming on and the dripping hose and the TV channels having growling wolves and something seems to smack the window... is that just a demonstration of the cumulative drug effect or is it something to keep in mind for later?

Also "he had to do more than kill you, he had to discredit you"
"murder weapon, scene of the crime all at once"...

Lexi...ooh the bit where Russell Tovey was home alone with the lights going on and off was the scariest bit of all! I was terrified!

I assumed that whoever was trying to 'get' him was tampering with the lights, but the wolves appearing on TV must have been the effect of the drug.

Going back to the last episode

during the judges summing up it cuts to Holmes who is also saying the same

what's that about?

how long is not very long though?!?!

Blimey you lot are becoming proper die-hards!

Lexi - there was a real hound running around though, don't forget that. Owned by the two gay men in the local pub.

Oh it's such fun to share all things Sherlockian - it really is!

I can't see it being before early 2013 to be honest. The Hobbit is still filming then BC is doing Star Trek in the summer, so the earliest they could start filming will be this autumn.

On the subject of videos, I am on my phone so can't post a link but highly recommend you all search YouTube for "Benedict Cumberbatch Dunday Times Interview 2010".

On that happy note I wish you all sweet dreams!

Dunday = Sunday, obviously [forehead slap]

Right I've watched it again and ...... I'm more confused than ever.

The timeline's thrown me but I don't think that's important. It's just confusing to me.

I've started to think the rubbish lorry is a red herring but can't see a way round him surviving the fall.

Fairy tales is something. Hansel and Gretel, The Gingerbread Man. Were there others?

What's the picture on the red seal on the envelopes? Aarrrggghhh my head hurts.

I need Benedict/Sherlock to call round I think to assist me. Send him round would you please?

And CaveMum thank you for that.

I think the fairytales have little to do with it really as they don't correlate. The Grimm's brothers wrote Hansel and Gretel but not The Gingerbread Man and that story doesn't include any falls from tall buildings or anything that could be construed as being part of the plot.
There is of course, Humpty Dumpty......

I do think that Watson could have seen Holmes on the ground because he expected to see Holmes (remember Holmes telling Watson in the Hounds that people saw what they expected to see?).

Some of the plots from the series, overall I thought were a bit weak. Such as the man getting hit by a boomerang and the Hound being an illusion from the gas in the hollow. So I do think that the answer is probably simpler than we think and we are trying to analyse too much.

I think that Holmes' fall was broken (and Watson did not see the impact), that the body may well have been swapped whilst Watson was on the ground and that Watson saw Holmes because that is what his concussed brain expected to see, having just seen him fall from the building. That would explain why the body was bleeding from the back of the head when he in fact, landed face down.

But we'll all just have to wait for the big reveal. Still, the readers of the Holmes stories in the 1800s had to wait a whopping 10 years for the resurrection of Holmes (apart from the magnificent Hound of the Baskervilles a few years after the Reichenbach Falls) and were apparently most disgruntled. So I guess one year isn't too long to wait and at least we know there will be another series - some of the readers thought that Holmes was actually dead and buried and some wore black armbands to mark the event.

Lexi, completly agree about the military bits being poorly done (sadly as it is in most tv dramas). Was utterly shit and unrealistic so spoiled the whole episode for me. I imagine that other areas are probably equally badly done but as I have no experience of them I just accept them as being how they are portrayed.

[Nerd alert]

I'm following "Sherlockology" on Twitter and they've said that BC's schedule has been confirmed for next few months. Currently on LA sorting out work visas, then flying to New Zealand to work on Hobbit, then back to LA for Star Trek. They also said that Martin Freeman is tied up with The Hobbit until pretty much the end of 2012, if not longer . Knowing how close to the wire Peter Jackson ran things when getting Lord of The Rings finished, he could well be still filming into 2013.

Also, for the Twitter users out there, there was a very amusing exchange between Simon Pegg and Mark Gattis discussing whether all monkeys are Nazi or not - following in from the saluting monkey in Baskerville.

[easily amused]

according to digital spy series 3 isn't going to ge that long a wait, whatever that means. wonder if they've actually already filmed it.

Doesn't Freeman have a break from The Hobbit booked in, though? He said some time ago he had two breaks written into his contract for Sherlock filming ? presumably one was to film Series 2 but that would still mean that he has another to use. Don't know how long Star Trek filming will take, but they could feasibly film Sherlock next autumn.

I'm expecting about an eighteen-month wait, just like last time.

ooh that mention of twitter gave me momentary hope of following stalking BC himself. But he is clearly too cool for twitter.

It wouldn't surprise me if they've filmed some already. Sneaky gits

I'm following Sherlockology too CaveMum. Agree that they may have done some filming already. Wouldn't put it past them.

I don't know whether to believe anything that Stephen Moffat and/or Mark Gatiss say anymore - the little sneaks! Everyone's missed a big clue. Have we or is he winding us up again? Think I'll just watch them all again next week to be sure. [martyr emoticon]

Where can I watch Series 1 again, by the way? Can only see Series 2 on I-Player.

series 1 dvd is only a fiver on amazon

Thanks, daenery.

Who's read the Horowitz novel House of Silk, may I ask? And Graham Moore's The Holmes Affair.