The Killing - latest Eurocrime from BBC4

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Promising start to the series last night - just as The Guardian promised, Prime Suspect meets State of Play with a bit of Wallander (i.e. Scandinavian and with subtitles). Really moving scene where the couple whose daughter's body had been found then tried to explain it to their younger children.

Anyone else see it?

The woman I know is generally known as Nille - took me ages to realise what her real name was.

Thanks for the BOILS gen - I'm very tickled by the idea of a nightclub called "PUSTULE" essentially...

it could just be BOILS in as it is so HOT
the kind of leap made when a foreign language is used

Oh, so it could - that makes sense. Still very funny.

hehehehe
Feeling hot hot hot

Feeling boiling boiling boiling

It does lose something in the translation

Just had a thought about the Boils thing (nothing to do with the plot, just the name). Danish doesn't use an apostrophe in the genetive - so is it that the nightclub is called Boil meaning that Boils should actually be Boil's? Agree, it's a crap name though!

:o - well, we do have sweets called Spunk in Denmark which always makes me laugh!

the things one learns on MN late on a Sunday

(pressed send too soon)

so there are a fair few names which get a bit lost in translation.

I'm pleased that Mr Boils decided to start a night club, not a beauty parlour......and should I ever have any more sons, there will be so many little Troels's and Theiss's about, I'm going for Knud.

Finally caught up last night... what a couple of episodes.

Reading the messages so far has got me thinking, and coming up with a new theory... (sorry, Olivers Dad!)

Assuming Troels is innocent, the whole thing seems to have been set up to damage him. There are just too many pointers to him for his involvement to be coincidental. The fact that Nanna was the victim is irrelevent, and those involved with her are a rollmop red herring.

So, who would want to damage Troels? Presumably the motives would be either political or personal.
I can't see Rie (in combination with her Dad) being in the mix. It seems as if she din't know about his dating stuff before 'now' - and as an advisor there would be no political motive. Equally Moetens seems only to have had a motive recently after being temporarily fired, so I don't think it's him. The only real political enemy we have seen is the current Mayor, and I just don't see him as being physically able to do what was done to Nanna (would have had a heart attack trying to chase her through the woods, if nothing else - and can you imagine Nanna wanting to go out with him?).

The only person we have now met who might have a potential personal motive might be.... (and names escape me now) the husband of the obsessive curly haired woman who Troels 'met' on t'interweb.

New to this thread and wanted to post my latest theory to see what you all thought:
Nanna's murder is a revenge killing because Theis killed the drug dealer. Troels was somehow involved in the drug dealer story in his past and is being set-up. We know he's being set-up because the flat being left in the state it was is inconsistent with his character and the methodical way in which Nanna was cleaned up.
The Arab guy in the restaurant who Theis visited about his house has also got something to do with dead drug dealer too, I think.
And the title of the series: "The Killing" refers to the killing of the drug dealer.
Not sure how the missing women file fits in all this - but maybe that will be the next red herring for the next couple of programmes?

Something also unsettled me about the school teacher and although he didn't murder Nanna, there is more to his story.
Firstly, why would Nanna be returning books at 10 at night?
And secondly, who was he texting after he saw Theis?
And also, when Theis asked why he decided not to press charges, I expected the answer to be something on the lines that he could empathize with him, but he said it was because he lied and hadn't told him that Nanna had been round that night. Can't work out why that would be significant. Something fishy going on there.

Still can't work out WHO carried out murder though.
Maybe carried out by more than one person?

TooTired - actually, the title adds even more than that because the original title in Danish is Forbrydelsen which literally means 'The Crime' rather than 'The Killing' which adds a slightly different slant to it, I think.

Was Nana hoping for an affair with the school teacher, and had misread a come-on at the party, hence leaving as if happy to meet someone - then, rejected she seeks comfort with the ex lover from the dating room - so she takes a cab from Rammer's to City Hall and pops in, where "Faust" says I will meet you at the flat later.

Perhaps she did meet Troels - but then he left and the rapist struck - as we know we are dealing with someone who lurks in hallways.

Still have no clue....Olav the civil servant? Too obvious at this point - What about the seedy Vagn ( do excuse my made up spellings) - he could have a thing for Nana.

Need to watch the earlier episodes again, as following the Agatha Christie model, it will be there to be found!

I think there's more to come from the school, too - it doesn't really feel like the story of the dodgy rich boys with the powerful fathers is over, and I'm sure there's more to find out from Nanna's friend. Shouldn't they be asking her what Nanna might have told her about Faust?

Have they not tracked down those boots yet? Surely that would give them a clue?

Very true, Blackduck... Is 8 hours going to be enough to cover all these missing threads??

Tootired - I like your thinking. For me though, the crime (nice piece of intelligence there, UpSince, btw)is SOOO well planned that a revenge for a drug killing doesn't seem right. I sort of feel (with no evidence other than reading crime fiction :-) that if drug-associated people want to get a message across, they would make sure the "victim" knew what had been done and why - as a message to others, if nothing else.

Whoever is involved has been able to put a lot of thought into this... almost as much as we are, I suspect

I just feel we are going to find out more about Latvia.

But I'm getting worried about reading this thread too closely now, with all these plausible theories, much as I am addicted to the series!

Interesting, alexsdad, unless troels does know, or suspect...

Have just found this thread and tried not to read too much. Am up to episode 4 on the iPlayer. Please, please tell me that it's worth keeping going to catch up.

So far it's one of the best things I've seen in ages.

I have to join in too - just watched most recent episode on iplayer, and have a couple of questions/observations:

1. Bengt is gorgeous
2. I think Morten is a strong suspect. Remember all the business with the fake email and then him being tracked down by Troels (I can't help think of the troll in 3 Billy Goats Gruff) in a pub, and an inference that he was an acoholic/had had drink problem in past? Red herring or relevant?
3. What did Lund see in Toel's diary (lovely handwriting) in his flat, and why did she suddenly change her mind about the pizza, especially as she'd just found out his alibi was false? I think she fancies him actually.
4. Something def Fishy about Pernille and Theis's past, with references to mistakes she has made in the past (getting pregnant with Nanna as teenager?). Was Nanna definitely Theis's daughter or from a previous relationship, and could that have any bearing?
5. Wasn't keen on the jumper in the grey colourway - original better.

That's all for now. Roll on Saturday.
Oh, and another vote for Spiral. Excellent series.

yes but... aren't there questions re Morton's health? Isn't he a diabetic & in that bar scene where Troels sees him to make amends his apparent frality is alluded to.

Perhaps this is a red herring, but if it's not then he wouldn't have been up to persuing Nana and holding her hostage. surely?

There are some references to 'higher powers.' e.g Rie's father talked about hearing something from 'above' when instructing Troels to forestall something (can't remember for the life of me what now), the older police guy seems to have been under pressure from above to withold info/ halt the investigation.

I want to know who that civil servant guy rang when he'd witheld giving the police the teacher's file/ who was he booking the flat for?

Those missing woman's files will be the next key I guess.

I agree that we are being led to believe Lund is in danger, perhaps not from the gorgeous Troels but from someone.

OOOOOooooooh I love this program.

Spiral is being re-run on bbc4 for our rehabilitation when the Killing is finished.....

wigwam - i booked that dinner date with Bengt a couple of pages back - gerroff!!!

seriously, though, re morten - i think he has a guycrush on Troels and wouldn't actually do anything to hurt him. i also don't think he has the personality to be the killer - too highly strung. surely you need to be a bit of a cold fish to commit that type of crime and look normal to the outside world?

i also still think the crime is about nanna. if it was about troels surely they would just have just brutally killed her and framed him? why go to the effort of the capture, keeping her hostage, chasing her through the forest and then dumping the body in a way that made the killer think she wasn't going to be found? surely that make it too personal?

Lund stayed for the pizza because Meyer had called her to tell her that Rie had withdrawn Troels' alibi. also think she could be attracted to him - can't blame her can't remember what was in the diary - was it a note of his wedding anniversary?

also don't think Lund is in danger from Troels because he is innocent, innocent i tell ya!!!

fivecents so Spiral will keep me going till the next series of Wallander or The Killing?

i bloody love bbc4.

btw - wigwam rofl about the jumper (the real star of the show)

goodnight - civil servant has been up to something, no doubt about it. maybe even nanna's fancy man and he used the flat for their dates? or maybe bremer's spy on troels? but.... again he's not giving me psycho vibes, much though i think i'd like it to be him to wipe that smarmy look off his face...