The Killing - latest Eurocrime from BBC4

[muminlondon]

Promising start to the series last night - just as The Guardian promised, Prime Suspect meets State of Play with a bit of Wallander (i.e. Scandinavian and with subtitles). Really moving scene where the couple whose daughter's body had been found then tried to explain it to their younger children.

Anyone else see it?

Was too confused read the posts and comment last night. But this morning I'm feeling angry with Bengt! The serial murder idea has never felt satisfying because of the political plot. It feels like someone has withheld evidence and/or planted it just at the right time during the election. And to hear that Bengt was employed by Brix after all ... ?

An amazing two episodes last night which gave me the most awful nightmares (complete over active imagination me).

Loving all your theories and observations. I loved the couple of scenes where Meyer and Lund are working together. Particularly when they marched out of the police station on the way to the waterworks.

Its too early for it to be Leon isn't it? But does it mean we can discount his evidence re picking Nanna up and taking her to the flat? He'd seen them at the train station dropping off their bags - but when? Earlier in the week? I didn't understand that. But perhaps he had just been following Nanna on behalf of Amir's Dad.

Mette disappeared 15 years ago. Troels would have been too young to be a serial killer then surely?!

muminlondon I don't like Bengt one bit. Did you see him in what I presume were his pjs last night? Funny little legs. Gross

Would Brix and Bengt have any reason to be in contact as part of Bengt's job, or is this more evidence of weird tentacles of conspiracy reaching everywhere?

I am very suspicious of Bremer at the moment, think he must somehow be involved at more than just a political scheming level. Can't believe that with this many episodes to go it could be as simple as Vagn or another driver being the killer. And surely if you were a calculating and controlled serial killer you'd have more sense than to go after your boss's daughter?

I still think we might see more of the powerful rich boys from school's dads, too.

Fab episodes! I air punched when we found out about the boots and she had (finally) read the bloody files. Love the way she is using her mothers mannakin as an incident board (there's invention for you)!! The taxi driver and Leon are one and the same...(I think) and I agree, I think the arranged marriages mentioned are one and the same. I cried when Theis said to P 'I missed you' (sob!!).
So Vagn, Leon, combination of both?

If they did it, is it because they were paid to by someone else? I just don't buy the psycho serial killer idea the lovely but evil Bengt planted in Lund's head!

But meanwhile I've found new evidence to explain the mysterious Troels sightings in northwest England - it's the Viking DNA!

See my problem with Vagn as killer is I don't know how he could do it to Theis unless it was done in a fit of anger. I can see him knocking her about (first attack) in a 'what the hell do you think you are up to' kind of way, but not the rest....unless Bengt is way off the mark...

Blackduck - yes, I noticed her incident board too. Great minds think alike and all that.

Mine now has a line connecting Leon and taxi driver

Anyone think that Amir looks a bit like a younger, swottier Rama?

jammie - Troels is mid 40s, I'd say, so could conceivably be the serial killer.

Bremmer = fantastic liar. I was convinced he didn't know what the heck Olav was talking about when he approached him in the underground car park. How wrong was I?

and tick on boots too - just the kind of thing Shagabout would buy :)

I would have thought that serial killers are usually people slightly on the edge of things - which is Vagn or Mortenn: They seem to have very thinly drawn personal lives so far. How about it being Mortenn, looking for Troels, found Nanna at the flat, and attacked her in a jealous rage? (loved the doors shutting or Mortenn bit!)

Bremmer might be capitalising on Troels misfortune to cover his Latvain tracks, and just because he's a slippery bastard.

Wigwam you forgot the party car link - we assume she was taken away in the party car, which of course could be wrong: The party car could have been used later just to dump her in.

If Leon is the taxi driver, then why did he take so long to come forward - surely he would have known Nanna, and she him, so why didn't he make the connection clear to Lund?

There! Of course you are all right - just checked on iplayer, and he definitely is the taxi driver. (hence lingering shot on his hand shutting the taxi boot)

It would be a nice twist if Troels had used his taxi to get to the cottage.

Even more holes opening up in my theories now.

The thing that bothers me about the serial killer is the necklace. As Mette was wearing it in the photograph can we assume it was given to her as a gift by the killer as they were romantically involved. But I think we all agree that Nanna's killer wasn't somebody she had a relationship with so the necklace in her hand was Mette's? It suggests Nanna's murder was planned to a degree but that doesn't seem to fit.

These are some of the things I just don't understand:

Leon, the taxi driver, was working for Theis and I assume he would know the family, given that they live above the workplace. But when he was asked by the police (as a taxi driver) about the lift, he didn't say he knew Nanna, just that he recognised her from giving her a lift. That, to me, is very suspicious.

Last night when we saw him (right at the end) pull on a red jacket and look at the photo, then I thought the photo was a sort of shrine to Nanna, put up by Vagn. I did think it was a red herring, and spent the night thinking that Vagn must be involved. But why wouldn't Leon tell the police "Oh yes, that's Theis' daughter, she asked me to drop her off at the flats."

Also, given that Theis is Leon's boss and that Leon "owes" Theis and Vagn something, wouldn't Leon wait for her or even go up there with her, if it was dark?

Why would Nanna leave her passport in the drawer? I know she is the one who said that, but given the flat was just somewhere to go to have sex, why would she leave anything in a drawer? I could imagine she'd leave jewellery there by mistake, but a passport?

Bengt said, "Oh that type of necklace is seen everywhere." But fifteen years had passed between the first girl disappearing and Nanna holding it. Surely to god Bengt isn't that bad a psychologist to deny the significance of that?

Oh yes, I'd wondered about what Troels had said about the lift. He was caught out, there, wasn't he?

The problem with Morten as a suspect is that he just doesn't look like he has anything else on his mind except Troels and the political intrigue. He just looks baffled and hurt and confused, but not as though he's tormented in any way.

I still favour Troels as being involved. The timeline of the flat is so unlikely - he leaves, girl arrives, killer arrives, all within minutes.

Oooh, wonder whether Leon gave Troels a lift? He was waiting outside when Troels was supposed to have been coming out.

Also - last one, honest! - the greasy leader of the Opposition (forgotten his name, the one who died) admitted going online as Faust and emailing the girl. However, he wouldn't have been able to use the "Faust" name again, would he, once he'd left the flat? Yet their affair went on for several months and there were a lot of emails between the two, not all on the same night.

That's it, I think!

Or, fivecents if he gave someone else, not Troels, a lift. Maybe Morten?

Proles ages ago you mentioned the Turkish guy and so here we have that connection but how it all ties in, I have no idea yet.

Are we sure that Leon is the cabbie? I must say that escaped me totally - must have been the trauma of Vagn throwing a fit (is he still a suspect?).

But for heaven's sake, what I can't understand is why Nanna's passport should be left in the flat? What is she doing, walking aorund with it and leaving it there anyway?

But do like the way Meyer is trusting Lund's instincts more and more...

Ahh...the necklace connection. Now, do we think that the killer keeps a stash of these to dole out to naive and innocent girls when the fancy takes him? Or, do we think that the necklace found on Nanna belonged to Mette (and given to Nanna by the same person)?

Hmmm...

Prolesworth, I was just thinking maybe Nanna went to Latvia too! But do we know of any times when she was away/supposedly somewhere innocuous like at her mate's house for long enough?

I would think it's the same necklace - but the killer may not have known she had grabbed it - which would be a fault in his meticulous planning: Maybe the necklace will go walkies from the evidence file next.

Bengt came across as a bit of a petty huffpot last night. And very grey. (He's undergoing the same miraculous ageing process that Sarahs boy is going through)

The more I think about it the more I think that one of the keys to it all is the amount of interference with the investigation there's been - so we need to think about who would be motivated to do that, who would be able to, who would gain from it or lose by not being able to pull those kinds of strings.

Brix still seems very ambiguous to me. Did he give Lund's badge back because he now sees her point of view, or because what she'd discovered couldn't be bruhed under the carpet? And I still want to know more about who was steering & sacked that first chief of police.

why don't they look into the other missing girls?

I admit Bengt was a bit huffy, but the silver fox look still working for me. Didn't notice anything amiss with his pjs or knees, have to say.