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The Killing - latest Eurocrime from BBC4

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muminlondon · 23/01/2011 20:55

Promising start to the series last night - just as The Guardian promised, Prime Suspect meets State of Play with a bit of Wallander (i.e. Scandinavian and with subtitles). Really moving scene where the couple whose daughter's body had been found then tried to explain it to their younger children.

Anyone else see it?

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trickquestion · 27/02/2011 14:12

..alcohol

teej · 27/02/2011 14:13

Grin the case for the defence of troels rests, m'laud

Blackduck · 27/02/2011 14:16

the booze? the lift!

trickquestion · 27/02/2011 14:20

He has an alcohol problem and was out of it on the night..but where did he go? He can't just have crashed out in the flat unnoticed could he?

teej · 27/02/2011 14:22

it was meyer (i think) who gave us the clue - can't believe i didn't spot it at the time - 'these things don't mix'. omg. they said someone tried to call emergency services from the apartment. the police and therefore we have assumed it was nanna trying to escape her attacker. maybe that assumption was completely wrong?

teej · 27/02/2011 14:25

if you were on a stretcher having OD'd would you know how you exited the building?

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teej · 27/02/2011 14:31

we are so used to politicians being involved in sleaze and corruption we hardly blink an eye. but a politician who could be deemed to be suffering from emotional instability - if that got out, would the public trust them to be able to cope with the pressure of a position like mayor? bremer would have a field day. no wonder he is fighting tooth and nail to protect the truth.
and in a way he's kind of telling Rie that she cannot replace his childhood sweetheart so it aint that great for his personal life either...
sorry if this pisses anyone off btw

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muminlondon · 27/02/2011 14:34

How often would that flat have been cleaned? it's odd that the flat was left like that for 9 days with no one knowing.

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sfxmum · 27/02/2011 14:36

that was exciting a conspiracy and more cover ups, if only I had the time I would go back to iplayer and watch again looking for clues
so many secrets
have no theory at this point

teej · 27/02/2011 14:36

mum i think they said the flat is cleaned every 2 weeks so all this activity just happened to be in between cleanings.. (one of the least credible elements of the story, no?!)

sfxmum · 27/02/2011 14:37

why leave the flat like that if they knew it was cleaned and used regularly if not to implicate Troels
also is there more to it when he left the party, was it just a headache?

teej · 27/02/2011 14:51

sfxmum you see i thought that was really odd. and that is why i no longer think it is one of his political enemies. they would want to plant a clue that would throw suspicion on troels much more quickly (like the car), rather than waiting for up to two weeks for it to come to light.

the murderer was quite happy for troels or someone connected to the party to be implicated as prime suspect, so they were happy for evidence of the crime to be left as it would not point to them. and in a bizarre way, that would rule out anyone who could be linked to the flat. so even the dodgy civil servant (who i've had my doubts about) could be in the clear.

re troels leaving the party - i think the implication is that his grief for his wife was just too much and he really couldn't carry off the coping act in front of so many friends and foes...

trickquestion · 27/02/2011 15:01

Another other unrealistic thing is that someone so high up in local govt, uses the same password for everything, and his d.o.b at that. He should try working for the nhs.

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muminlondon · 27/02/2011 15:12

So did the same person who hacked into Morten's email hack into Troels' dating site profile? If it was hacked - Troels might still have been there with Nanna before he blacked out ...

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sfxmum · 27/02/2011 15:15

at first I thought it was a sort of crime of passion, a woman maybe Rie or the new obsessed one, but then again there is the idea of missing women which keeps being brought up but kept in the periphery

also the police did not make it to the flat because there was little connection between Troels and Nanna until the dating thing came up

can't wait for next weeks instalment, still Lund is fab in all her flawed ways

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sfxmum · 27/02/2011 15:18

very sensible of her when something suits buy a coupleGrin

her mum was really bitchy always taking the side of the men in her life
tut tut

LOL at password

teej · 27/02/2011 15:24

trick completely agree about the password, but in terms of the character that underlines the fact that he generally acts without guile and does not think he has that much to hide. also underlines the fact he was crying out to be set up! have to say i was expecting it to be his wife's name though....

mum i think that might have been the civil servant as a revenge thing. he's been up to something, for sure. he may even have been involved with nanna and using the apartment but i think he's too prissy to be the killer.

teej · 27/02/2011 15:47

bloody hell i'm supposed to be finishing off a report for work but my mind is whirring and i keep on coming back here!

sfxmum i'm not expressing this very well, but the link to troels and his campaign was there from the start with the car - BUT there was an assumption that the killer never thought the car or the body would be found. Bengt said early on that the killer feels that his victims are his secret and no other similar bodies have been found to date.

so why leave evidence of the crime at the apartment?it's like the killer wanted the murder scene to be found, the victim perhaps to be identified, and suspicion to be thrown onto troels/someone else. according to bengt, surely that would be inconsistent with his previous behaviour? the car/body need never have been found, as is consistent with his other crimes.

but it's like there is something different about this murder.

and if we take it that the apartment was supposed to be the first clue about the murder then it turns the whole investigation on its head. it would make you think the killer expected the crime scene to be discovered much sooner and they didn't realise how infrequently the apartment would be used ifkwim?

sfxmum · 27/02/2011 15:53

I see the thing about the inversion of clue discovery
about Troels meant no direct link to him specifically although the campaign was implicated from the start

also the depiction of family grief is touching, I wonder what the fall out from them talking to the press will be

now go write your reportGrin

teej · 27/02/2011 15:55

sfxmum and i think you are right - it was a crime of passion but the rape etc would surely indicate a man?

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sfxmum · 27/02/2011 16:03

and there are 2 more series, hurrah dis the BBC buy them> should we start a petition?

the rape thing I am not clear about did they assume the sexual activity was rape based on the violence or could it have been separate or was there sure physical signs of it?

actually the chasing in the woods at the start is starting to get my attention again, the whole business of Nanna possibly being held captive

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