The Killing - latest Eurocrime from BBC4

[muminlondon]

Promising start to the series last night - just as The Guardian promised, Prime Suspect meets State of Play with a bit of Wallander (i.e. Scandinavian and with subtitles). Really moving scene where the couple whose daughter's body had been found then tried to explain it to their younger children.

Anyone else see it?

:o I'm not answering that. Skating on inadvertant-spoiler-thin-ice!

Wouldn't make any difference anyway - as if anything you would stop you all speculating and just sitting back to enjoy the ride (I know I couldn't have anyway. In fact, even though I've seen it, I still can't stop checking this thread now and then and seeing all the theories - it's still addictive on a passive second-time round!)

Bondgirl - the wounds thing rings a bell with me too....

I think perhaps Theis gave her a bit more freedom/latitude and now feels guilty that his freedom led to her death. I don't think he is involved in it directly, though he clearly has a dodgy past!

sorry upsince honestly was not looking for spoilers!!! i'm not even daring to read the comments on the guardian website just in case...
you're right though, nothing will stop us speculating even if you said it was impossible to work it out
right. have just found and re-watched the autopsy scene because this is driving me mad.
Lund was told the following:

• nanna had bed sores on one side, poss from lying on a rough, possibly concrete floor (suggests confined space??)
• she was held in this way for 15-20 hours (suggesting most of Saturday?)
• her injuries were older than the bedsores, suggesting the rape etc started before she was confined, however she was subjected to attack several times over a number of hours
• she was battered around the head and bruised on her arms etc (maybe the killer thought one of the head wounds had finished her off?)
• she was bathed etc before she went into the woods
• the killer had used ether to knock her out probably several times

no clue what that does for us but i just wanted to get the facts straight - assault, then confinement possiblty with further assaults, then chase, then binding her and putting her in the car.

why was her bra and the video card found in the grass? did she drop it as a clue for someone possibly to find her? did the killer deliberately leave them? i can't imagine the killer dropped it.
what do you think?

possibly
and
why were her bra and video card...

back to RL work....

I think the video card was left there accidentally by someone who had borrowed it from Theis, thus my thought that he had lent it to the sister.

I'd forgotten her bra was there.

Gah! I'm going to watch episode 1 again. I reckon all the clues will be there.

Although I'm desperate to know, I'd murder anyone who told me now!

v.good point teej, seems sloppy considering going to the effort of bathing the body.
But that is what lead to the discovery of the body as Nanna hadn't even been reported missing had she? So the video card and undies were crucial as if they hadn't been found, and she had eventually been reported as missing, the police wouldn't have known where to look first.
...and (sorry getting myself in twists now) the first crime scene with DNA traces of Nanna, and therefore the first crime scene the police would've come across, would have been the flat.
Which suggests that the killer or killers wanted it to be linked back to Troels Hartmann and/or the liberal party. (as they are far too clever to have left the flat like that by accident)

so my point being (eventually) that I think the undies and vid. card were dropped by accident!!

Another one here who is addicted to The Killing and enjoying all the theories.
Aside from the boots and the list of other missing girls, there is another loose end which is bothering me. When neighbours were being interviewed about Rama , mention was made of a party going on in one of the buildings ( I think it was the witness who had seen Rama and his friend carrying what turned out to be the forced wedding girl to the car.
It is possible that someone from that party could have followed Nanna after she left Rama`s house or seen something significant.

Okay, just throwing another idea out here...despite the fact half the thread are madly in lust love with troels is there any real concrete evidence that he couldn't have done it? we now have this alibi re the lost weekend - could it be a crock of crap and Morton is in on it and is helping him cover up. There is a sense that the crime is well executed and clever, but clinical and Lund says to him that he is passionate about politics, and he says it is the only thing he is passionate about. May be he just is an all round nasty piece of work? I don't know if I believe this, but wondered if any of the collective slueths have a view!!

Proles no!!! i hope no - this is a spoiler free zone so far
it's the only place I currently dare look at re The Killing, given that people upthread have said that wiki and Guardian comments are both off limits!

Have there been spoilers on the Guardian website? There weren't when I read the posts there; I'm too scared to look now!

ok - reading the last few posts including my own from earlier - seriously obvious question - why was nanna carrying the video card if she was due to be partying all weekend?
that'll be another red herring no doubt!
but really don't think the aunt was involved - she was devastated about the whole thing was she not?
also both the pathologist and the lovely bengt have referred to a male serial killer....

Oh no, don't worry Proles I think the MN standards are higher than the Guardian comments section (I don't mean that in a derogatory way about the paper as I read it, I just find some of the comments a bit off to say the least)

Agree with you Teej that Charlotte wasn't involved but can see how that could be suspected as she could know more about the Faust figure....Nanna supposedly confided in her, I do find it odd she doesn't know more. Maybe summat to do with the shifty barman who was watching her...or protecting Nanna (and her family) by not revealing everything that she was up to?

proles someone did mention something about casting for series 2 further up this thread too but they only mentioned one name. unless that was a spoiler in disguise. oh poo.
well what they said does not fit with MY theories so i'm taking it that it was an innocent comment.

I imagined you meant someone who doesn't use MN coming along with some dodgy username and posting

"It was * wot dunnit!!!!"

and thereby not even giving you a chance to avert your gaze.

But I would hope no one could be bothered to register with MN to do something so mean.

I missed the thing about series 2 so I am NOT re-reading this thread!!!

another of the many things we don't know yet - with the other possibly related cases, did the killer leave a clue that confirmed a crime had been committed but the body was never found?
OR is this murder different for this killer because they have left clues?
i think once we know that we'll have a better idea where to shed our sleuthing spotlight.
so once again, Lund, read the ruddy file!!!

proles i would assume they would prefer the glory of the larger audiences on the Guardian website or Digital Spy or summat (i'm also avoiding DS because there always seem to be spoilers for other series i watch)
we're a slighly smaller audience, but quality counts

yes, where IS Finbar?? Having a and mulling over the files hopefully!

I had a look (couple of nights ago) at the Guardian blog and just got irritated that the writer - and then the first few comments (stopped reading as got bored) - were pondering the dummy in the background when Lund was on the phone, as though it were a significant clue. I was like "FFS! Her mum is a dressmaker, which was established in the first introduction to her! You lot are half-asleep!" and decided not to bother reading anymore. A tad harsh perhaps.

The quality here is definitely better..