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Criticism of holiday choices - fed up!

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Mintytoothpaste1 · 11/08/2025 10:26

I have teenage girls aged 16 and 19. My 19 year old is at university so still comes on holiday with us, and besides, her younger sister wouldn’t be happy really to come away without her.

I spend a long time every year coming up with holiday ideas that won’t break the bank. We are supporting DD1 through university, which has included buying and insuring a car for her as well as paying all of her living costs. She costs us about £15k per year. We will embark on doing the same for DD2 in 2027, so we are constantly saving.

Despite this we’ve had great holidays - last year a Mediterranean cruise and this year two weeks in Greece. We also manage some city breaks in between, mainly to do something specifically cultural, for example we went to Germany when DD2 was studying German and we’ve been to Rome and Florence to look at art/archaeology for my elder daughter.

I have booked everything, always.

i personally love France because I speak French however we never go there because the rest of the family prefer other destinations, so I go for a long weekend to France every autumn with a good friend instead.

the reason I’m posting is because I’m constantly criticised. So for example I usually start looking for holiday inspiration around September time, and I try looking for perhaps an air bnb within budget, with air con and a decent pool. I read reviews to make sure the wifi works, I check that the property looks comfortable and there are things to do locally. It takes me ages to find something - usually because the price point isn’t right.

the criticism starts from the family because they see me ‘on my phone all the time’ and they accuse me of ‘looking at mumsnet and Facebook.’ In fact I’m often researching a holiday property for the following year. This is especially apparent if for example they are watching a film and they think I should be watching the same film but im
not interested so I start ‘scrolling my phone’ looking at air bnb.

they also accuse me of ‘looking at X or Y because you’re obsessed with that’ ( things related to my own interests) and yet they have their own interests that they are obsessed with, and this appears to be fine.

and then the arguments start. So this year I was planning Italy but my husband said he didn’t want to go there because the food is samey. I replied that our very fussy younger daughter would at least eat pasta and pizza, he scoffed. He offered no alternative suggestion because he has never, ever researched holidays. So we came to Greece and now he says it’s fine but maybe Italy would have been better. The property we are staying in is not within walking distance of the town, so if we go out at night then he has to drive, and he’s a bit sulky about that because he likes a drink. I don’t drive abroad, I don’t feel confident driving on the right.

last night we went for dinner as a family and left under a cloud after a disagreement on next years holiday. Both kids really want to
go to the Alps - which I’m really keen on - but I know they will also want to laze by a pool as well, and the alps doesn’t really fit with that.

So - I suggested a week in the alps followed by a week in an air bnb with a pool - in an adjacent country which will likely have hot weather. My suggestion was to fly in and out of Geneva as a base and spend the second week somewhere like Annecy. This led to a big stink about how ‘you always want to go to France and you’re just trying to get your own way.’

we have not been to France as a family since 2015 when we took the kids to Disneyland paris, which would not have been my choice.

I honestly felt so fed up last night. I don’t mind whether the second week is Italy or France or indeed Germany, but I think Annecy would be wonderful as it’s so pretty. My 16 year old announced she wanted to go to Germany because ‘why should we go to France just because you speak French? I speak German so let’s go there.’

I should add that 3/4 of the family speak French, it’s just that I’m most proficient. Nobody but DD2 speaks German.

DD2 also said she could ‘easily find an air bnb’ in Germany. Frankly, I’ll be astonished if she finds this ‘easy’ once I give her the parameters, so WIBU of this very fed up mum to give her a list of said parameters next month and tell her to fill her boots? I think it will stress her out, but perhaps she will learn a lesson and stop being so bloody ungrateful?

this is not the first time I’ve felt
fed up that my hard work is criticised - I think every year I tend to consider not booking anything for the following year - however I then panic that we won’t have a holiday. Last year’s cruise was a result of that!

sorry for the long post and thanks for reading. I feel like a travel agent who cannot seem to get anything right - and who books holidays for others which aren’t really the holiday she would choose for herself. How long until we can send them off together on some sort of package holiday? Does DD2 need to be 18?

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Smallgnomethingy · 11/08/2025 10:36

I love France and Germany but I’d book Annecy over Germany for a holiday any time. You deserve to go to France, not sure why they wouldn’t want to with how lovely it is, water sports etc. Personally with teens I’d book a decent chalet on a site with water slides etc over an Airbnb. Tell them you’ve booked them a campsite and leave it at that for a bit.

Billybagpuss · 11/08/2025 10:36

Probably not the takeaways you wanted from your post but plenty of places in the Alps have a pool to laze by and the summer weather is usually amazing.

Annecy is a good choice my teens loved it maybe show them what is available activities wise around there that would interest them. Annecy lake was 25 degrees last week that’s crazy hot for a glacial lake.

also worth looking at Zell am See

but yes your family is being selfish. Maybe set a date so everyone researches and presents. Holiday within parameters and budget and you all vote.

WhatColourTiles · 11/08/2025 10:40

They sound awful and I’m not sure why you bother if you have friends who enjoy similar holidays to you so could go away with them. Certainly there are many on MN who do not take older teens on holiday anymore.

We do, because we all enjoy each others company but holidays have had to evolve a lot to suit.

Firstly do not let them speak to you like that - regarding holidays or anything else.
Then perhaps do not include them in all the interim discussions, come up with a small range of options and ask them to decide which is best.
You can tweak the preferred option once it’s narrowed down if necessary but you do all the research behind the scenes first (if you want to keep bothering)
ChatGPT is excellent for initial itinerary suggestions to give you some starting points.

KenIsAnAccessory · 11/08/2025 10:40

Your DDs are acting like spoilt brats. Probably modelled on their father. Book a holiday for one!

Suzi9989I · 11/08/2025 10:44

Would your husband be up for a couple's holiday? About time you ho on holiday for the both of you. You've worked hard with little appreciation. Go to France your way!! If he doesn't want to go, go alone!!! Recharge and relax. Perhaps give some money to DDs so they can do a trip their way?

ThisCatCanHop · 11/08/2025 10:46

You could be reasonable and go with @Billybagpuss ’s suggestion. Or you could be less reasonable and announce that as you are researching and paying, you and DH are going to Annecy plus whatever other location you have in mind. DDs are very welcome to join you and need to let you know by the following date….

I have total sympathy here as I’m Researcher-in-Chief in my family too, although my kids are much younger. I get the same grief about phone usage (which is not when anyone is trying to engage with me or we’re spending time together), which is frequently for family research purposes. Clothes, shoes, holidays, school holiday activities, house stuff, SEN stuff….

DH often implies this is all really basic and he’d do it faster/more efficiently but he’s so focused on tasks being completed he won’t focus on whether he’s getting something right, if you see what I mean. Or he thinks something Should Be Done (perhaps by the fairies?) but does nothing himself.

I am impressed you even attempt to get everyone to agree! I think it’s very easy for them to forget you’re a person too and have just as strong views as anyone else on what constitutes a good time. All your holidays sound amazing! Your DDs might not be holidaying with you for much longer - a little gratitude goes a long way…

childofthe607080s · 11/08/2025 10:47

Well just let everyone research their own plan and then you all get a vote - give a maximum budget and any other key parameters

Twistedfirestarters · 11/08/2025 10:47

My god, they sound awful.

I can't believe your kids speak to you like that and you actually take on board their criticisms!

You and your DH (who also sounds like a brat but I assume he at least contributes financially) decide where you're going. You tell them where you're going and give them the choice to come or not. They can specify where they're going when they're old enough to pay. They sound spoilt rotten honestly.

Reallybadidea · 11/08/2025 10:49

I wouldn't be paying for the holiday of anyone who was so ungrateful.

EssentiallyDecluttering · 11/08/2025 10:49

My two loved Annecy at that age but we stayed in an apartment in town so they could go in without us having to drive, that is our main criteria for family holidays now, not out of town complexes or rural villas/cottages. But also we tend to leave it later to book because no one wants to commit as far in advance now due to holiday jobs etc, for the last two or three years we have either stayed in the UK or taken the car on the Eurotunnel so we are not losing any money if a DC decides not to come. Driving on the right really isn't that hard. So if I still want family holidays we book later and save money in other ways (shorter stay or whatever).

mugglewump · 11/08/2025 10:51

You all sound disgruntled, perhaps because you are staying somewhere remote without much external stimulation and are a bit too on top of each other. I have plenty of sympathy with you as you seem to try to find a holiday that suits everyone but the niggles make you feel your best is not good enough. However, choosing a place to stay where you have to drive to the nearest town/village and refusing to share the driving is totally unfair. If your DH sprained his ankle and couldn't drive, would you take over? I also think you are obsessing over the holiday a bit too much. Why are you looking for places for next year when this summer is not yet over? Relax, enjoy the holiday, get takeaways rather than eating out (or a taxi or even share the driving) and live in the moment. Do not start thinkig about next summer until 2026. A holiday is a think to be enjoyed, not stress over.

Mintytoothpaste1 · 11/08/2025 10:52

Thanks for your replies.

they are definitely spoiled, which is also my fault because I had a horrible childhood - but I wouldn’t want you to think they are absolute monsters. Just entitled (especially DD1) which is bad enough.

I often feel a bit lost, or that what I enjoy doesn’t matter or is ridiculed. I’m very tired of it and my husband and I would be happy to go away without them, just my 16 year old could do with another 2 years to become an adult I think?

im getting the message here that they shouldn’t get to choose! But should I turn this task over to my younger daughter in September just to teach her a lesson?

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OccasionalHope · 11/08/2025 10:53

Not sure about villas, but plenty of hotels in the Alps have pools. And maybe a hotel would enable you all to get away from each other a bit.

SimpleBitch · 11/08/2025 10:54

You need to be cutting those apron strings and not take them anymore

Mintytoothpaste1 · 11/08/2025 10:55

I’d happily not take the older one, but feePa a bit mean not to offer the younger one a holiday when the older one has had holidays through university.

she’s only 16

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FrenchandSaunders · 11/08/2025 10:55

So have I got this right, you're on hols in Greece now and have fallen out over next year's holiday? Why not just enjoy this one. By next summer both DDs might be planning things with friends.

AtomicBlondeRose · 11/08/2025 10:55

I don’t care what the topic is, I wouldn’t be letting anyone speak to me like that in my own house. If they want a different holiday by all means let them research and pay for it themselves. Why do they get to bitch and moan about how long you spend on your phone or what you’re doing in it in your own damn home?

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 11/08/2025 10:55

Honestly, I’d stop. Book yourself 2 weeks in France on your own and let these spoiled, ungrateful arseholes sort themselves out.

Mintytoothpaste1 · 11/08/2025 10:56

Replies are at least making me laugh out loud!!

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Twistedfirestarters · 11/08/2025 10:57

Mintytoothpaste1 · 11/08/2025 10:52

Thanks for your replies.

they are definitely spoiled, which is also my fault because I had a horrible childhood - but I wouldn’t want you to think they are absolute monsters. Just entitled (especially DD1) which is bad enough.

I often feel a bit lost, or that what I enjoy doesn’t matter or is ridiculed. I’m very tired of it and my husband and I would be happy to go away without them, just my 16 year old could do with another 2 years to become an adult I think?

im getting the message here that they shouldn’t get to choose! But should I turn this task over to my younger daughter in September just to teach her a lesson?

Your youngest would be 17 next year I assume? Old enough to be left behind should she choose not to go with you.

I absolutely wouldn't hand it over to your youngest, no. The lesson she needs to learn is that her likes are taken into consideration but she does not get the final say on a holiday she doesn't pay for. She needs less control, not more.

I have never asked my kids where they want to go. I've naturally thought about their likes and dislikes and ensured that there are things they'll enjoy wherever we go but I'm the grown up paying for it, so they don't get to stamp their feet and demand.

Your girls need to learn some respect.

WWomble · 11/08/2025 10:57

Give them the holiday requirements, wishlist, budget and a deadline for their suggestions. Then have a family meeting to choose a holiday - anyone wanting to go on holiday has to participate in the ideas and planning.

wolleywool · 11/08/2025 10:58

Why are you even bothering?!

Next year book a holiday for you & your husband where you want. Guarantee they will toe the line the year after!

Facecream24 · 11/08/2025 11:00

@Mintytoothpaste1 i do think you were wrong to book a remote villa that requires driving out for an evening meal when your DH likes a drink and you refuse to do the driving. Whilst I sympathise with the rest (I’m also chief planner in our family!) this was unfair of you.

MaryBerrysFannyHammock · 11/08/2025 11:00

@Mintytoothpaste1 honestly? Stop booking family holidays.

Fuck them talking to you like that. Who the fuck do they think they are?

My family get the holiday I book them and like it. They wouldn't bloody bother booking one themselves and they know better than to complain.

wolleywool · 11/08/2025 11:00

Why are you spending 15k on your eldest dd? Does she have a job?