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Anyone else with a teen girl who dresses badly? (Frumpy)

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PatsArrow · 15/03/2022 08:29

I hope this post doesn't make me sound like a complete cow. I will caveat this by saying I love my daughter a huge amount. I think she's funny, clever, kind and a loyal friend.

She's 17. She's never been into 'girl' clothes. She always wore Spider-Man fancy dress rather than Disney Princess when she was little. She always preferred wolves and dragons to fairies etc. She's only ever worn a dress or skirt a few times in her life. She doesn't own a skirt atm.

Now, I don't care about what she wears - if it's 'feminine' or not. However, recently she been upset.
For sixth form she wears such dowdy and frumpy clothes. Badly fitting joggers with 80's style jumpers mainly. She hardly ever wears make-up. She has fairly large boobs and she tries to squash them down in a sports bra but this just makes them looks like they're in a flat bag. She's started to get upset and complaining to me about how ugly and fat she looks when someone has caught her on camera (she hates her photo taken).

I find this incredibly upsetting. She has a very womanly figure, small waist, big boobs and big hips - a much more different shape to her friends. If she's going out to a party, she can make herself look amazing - she puts on more fitted clothes and a small amount of make-up.
I've always told her she's beautiful. I've always tried to champion her in whatever she feels like wearing. I just feel like she's a bit lost. It's like she wants to exude confidence but thinks hiding away in an over-sized hoodie will do it.

In that past I've taken her shopping (she hates shopping) and have spent lots of money on nicer clothes that at the time she's enthused about. However they're never worn and end up at the back of the wardrobe.

At 17, she wants to feel attractive and confident although I know not many are truely confident at 17.

How do I help her without ruining her confidence? Last week she started saying she wanted a breast reduction. I objected but she said I can't object because I had one (I did, aged 45). I said she's too young and she said I'd told her I wished I'd had it done when I was younger (I did). She says she's saving for one to have when she's over 18.

This is all normal right? It's really upsetting to see the confident, wear-anything little girl she once was really unhappy in her appearance and hiding away in frumpy, badly fitted retro knitwear and joggers.

If anyone has been through this, where do I start? It's really heartbreaking to see her hating on herself.
I said I'd take her shopping on Sat for new bras and a pair of jeans.......

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PatsArrow · 15/03/2022 09:31

I'm not sure if some people aren't reading my posts properly but I have NEVER told my dd what to wear.
Since about 7 years old she's been choosing her own clothes and I've just been paying for them (naturally).

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watcherintherye · 15/03/2022 09:31

@dworky

Mind your own business, would be my advice. What she chooses to wear is her decision alone.
The op has her daughter telling her that she is unhappy with how she looks. What’s op supposed to say - “not my circus, not my monkeys, darling”?
Threeboysandadog · 15/03/2022 09:31

@dworky

Mind your own business, would be my advice. What she chooses to wear is her decision alone.
So is the op supposed to say “sorry, can’t help you” when her daughter comes to her for advice. She has made it clear that her daughter is asking for her advice.

No help here op, only teenaged boys. Dsd was a “high heels and loads of make” up teen although she’s turned into a casual/grunge sort of adult. You sound like a lovely mum.

Flexitarian · 15/03/2022 09:32

Is this a 90s throwback style? We used to dress similarly, and not wearing makeup was very much a thing when I was in 6th form in the early 90s.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 15/03/2022 09:32

Op, you are getting increasingly aggressive and defensive on an anonymous Internet forum, and fail to realise that of course you have influence over your daughter both positively and negatively.

I find it hard for you to dismiss your dd dislike of her breasts when you told her you wished you had the reduction years ago. Equally what you say might not be how she hears it.

Movingonup22 · 15/03/2022 09:33

I just checked and h and k do in store and on line personal stylist appointments!

Desert76 · 15/03/2022 09:33

I agree it's pretty normal for teens to dress like that - mine wears oversize hoodies, joggers and boots all the time.

I like wearing hoodies too, but I only wear ones with a full zip. Zip done up halfway, contrasting colour top underneath, and that gives me a big v shape at the front that looks more flattering for my shape, but doesn't have to show any cleavage.
A jumper or cardigan with a v neck rather than round neck might also make her feel more confident - she can still wear a round neck t shirt underneath.

Sebastianthecoo · 15/03/2022 09:35

Sounds like she is dressing for the current fashion and not what suits her body. So pretty much what we all did at that age.

Like others have said I would treat her to some good hair/skin products and maybe a browse for some books if she likes to read. She just a nice day out, no pressure. If you want to treat her maybe a good quality rucksack. I always find I feel better with a new bag or shoes even if I’ve not updated my wardrobe.

Can’t stress enough the benefit of a good fitting bra. I went down a dress size when I finally found the right bra. Is there a good independent bra shop nearby?

oakleaffy · 15/03/2022 09:35

@HelenWick

I always dressed like this and still do. I was horrendously sexually harassed as a teenager and this was my protection. I said I liked dressing this way etc. I went clubbing, to parties etc all dressed in really baggy jeans/joggers and a massive hoodie. If she seems happy and well in herself and has good hygiene and friends and things she enjoys then please focus on other things. And please don't say 'frumpy' no one says this to men - scruffy maybe, but frumpy has all sorts of misogynistic implications - she is not a 'frump' she is your beautiful daughter - in any clothes.
Sing this from the rooftops!

Absolutely right.

urbanbuddha · 15/03/2022 09:37

Is she looking for advice about what to wear or about a breast reduction, do you think?
I'm a bit puzzled because you seem not to want her to have one soon but you seem to accept that she might have one eventually. I know nothing about breast reductions - is there an optimal minimum age?

Gonnagetgoing · 15/03/2022 09:37

@PatsArrow

She's a F-cup bra size. Do they make minimiser bras in that size?
@PatsArrow - she doesn't need a minimiser, she just needs a decent bra. M&S do nice lace bralettes in that size too.
sjxoxo · 15/03/2022 09:37

Definitely look at minimiser bras - yes they do them in F cup-try M&S.
I don’t know if the following is helpful but she sounds like me and I still feel fat and un confident at 34… honestly the only time I’ve felt better about myself is when I have been slimmer & had a minimiser bra or lost weight. I hated my body so much ages 14-25… going against the grain but If she is overweight and hates her shape i’d encourage helping her change this healthily. I took up running about 15 and still run twice a week. Good luck! xo

Beautiful3 · 15/03/2022 09:38

If she's an F, then I understand where she's coming from completely. I think I'd start saving up for her to have a reduction when she's 21.

Gonnagetgoing · 15/03/2022 09:39

Why don't you get her to look at ASOS or wherever she gets her clothes or take her out and get some?

Another thing to do if she'd like to, is maybe gym membership or sharing in a personal trainer - so she gets fit, tones up and feels better able to wear the clothes she likes.

When I was at college though I wore smart grey GAP jogging bottoms, cardigans from Benetton, t shirts and silk shirts. No point being much smarter.

DorotheaDiamond · 15/03/2022 09:41

You have described my dd exactly! Some of it is not wanting to spend the time/effort on makeup unless there’s a reason - when she does go “out” she looks stunning. I’ve always said she can have boob job, laser eye surgery (and probably nose job) when she has left uni and her body has properly settled into its adult shape - she’s very happy with that as a compromise…

Flexitarian · 15/03/2022 09:41

Actually I second the gym suggestion, purely for the confidence it will bring her to know she's fit and strong.

cherryonthecakes · 15/03/2022 09:42

The oversized thing is current fashion. My dd usually wears mom jeans and oversized tops when going out. Can totally relate to people looking at their DD's clothing and thinking old men's clothing from charity shops.

Sswhinesthebest · 15/03/2022 09:42

I get you. My dd just wears the same things over and over again. Ones that are comfy and easy to put on. No effort involved.

I’d love her to make the most of herself more - she scrubs up well, but I think it’s a confidence issue too.

I guess confidence comes with age - and in your case a breast reduction.

Gonnagetgoing · 15/03/2022 09:43

Re makeup. You could take her to Kiko, Superdrug, MAC and see if she likes anything there.

I was bought a set of a posh makeup brand when I was 17 that had 3 eyeshadows and a blush plus a lipstick but it was x 3 - so 3 different colour combinations plus the lipstick. Before then I just bought cheap Rimmel black or brown eyeliner, the odd eyeshadow and concealor.

Hankunamatata · 15/03/2022 09:43

Ask.for change title op

My daughter thinks her boobs are ruining her life

irishfarmer · 15/03/2022 09:43

I think you sound very supportive. I certainly had some interesting stages about clothes! It can be hard being a teenager, as you seem to remember.

The tips on bra's are really good. I was always a D which was fine so I don't have any tips. I do remember a friend saying "if 1 more person says I'd love your boobs I'll smack them" she was G maybe and a size 10 so they were big.

Gonnagetgoing · 15/03/2022 09:46

When you do go shopping also have a look at nicer dresses for evening with footwear.

Honestly even when I was a bit older - up to 21 - I bought nice dresses, one was a gold sequinned halterneck short dress but was very underconfident when wearing them - and I was very slim but with boobs (can't recall what size as I'm sure I was bigger than the sizes around back then!). I was also shy though and in the evening would often wear a nice jumper with bodysuit under it and jeans when going out.

littlepeas · 15/03/2022 09:46

The thing that jumped out at me from your post is boobs...I hated my big boobs when I was 17 and I never stopped hating them for a second until I had a reduction at 36. They had a huge impact on my confidence and I had horrible attention for them from boys and men who were far too old to be commenting. The reduction made a huge difference to my self confidence and I have not regretted it for one second. I also wish I had had it done younger - I spent all of my teens and young adulthood incredibly self conscious and upset about my breasts and having to deal with unwanted attention from men. My surgeon told me that it is the procedure that has the greatest positive impact on people.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 15/03/2022 09:47

I’d love her to make the most of herself more - she scrubs up well, but I think it’s a confidence issue too.

I find this so sad, no wonder girls have so little self confidence .

Gonnagetgoing · 15/03/2022 09:48

The shopping trip, take her for lunch/coffee, let her guide you as to what she wants.

She probably hates shopping because she's embarrassed about her figure and what looks right or wrong on it.

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