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Anyone else with a teen girl who dresses badly? (Frumpy)

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PatsArrow · 15/03/2022 08:29

I hope this post doesn't make me sound like a complete cow. I will caveat this by saying I love my daughter a huge amount. I think she's funny, clever, kind and a loyal friend.

She's 17. She's never been into 'girl' clothes. She always wore Spider-Man fancy dress rather than Disney Princess when she was little. She always preferred wolves and dragons to fairies etc. She's only ever worn a dress or skirt a few times in her life. She doesn't own a skirt atm.

Now, I don't care about what she wears - if it's 'feminine' or not. However, recently she been upset.
For sixth form she wears such dowdy and frumpy clothes. Badly fitting joggers with 80's style jumpers mainly. She hardly ever wears make-up. She has fairly large boobs and she tries to squash them down in a sports bra but this just makes them looks like they're in a flat bag. She's started to get upset and complaining to me about how ugly and fat she looks when someone has caught her on camera (she hates her photo taken).

I find this incredibly upsetting. She has a very womanly figure, small waist, big boobs and big hips - a much more different shape to her friends. If she's going out to a party, she can make herself look amazing - she puts on more fitted clothes and a small amount of make-up.
I've always told her she's beautiful. I've always tried to champion her in whatever she feels like wearing. I just feel like she's a bit lost. It's like she wants to exude confidence but thinks hiding away in an over-sized hoodie will do it.

In that past I've taken her shopping (she hates shopping) and have spent lots of money on nicer clothes that at the time she's enthused about. However they're never worn and end up at the back of the wardrobe.

At 17, she wants to feel attractive and confident although I know not many are truely confident at 17.

How do I help her without ruining her confidence? Last week she started saying she wanted a breast reduction. I objected but she said I can't object because I had one (I did, aged 45). I said she's too young and she said I'd told her I wished I'd had it done when I was younger (I did). She says she's saving for one to have when she's over 18.

This is all normal right? It's really upsetting to see the confident, wear-anything little girl she once was really unhappy in her appearance and hiding away in frumpy, badly fitted retro knitwear and joggers.

If anyone has been through this, where do I start? It's really heartbreaking to see her hating on herself.
I said I'd take her shopping on Sat for new bras and a pair of jeans.......

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LadyMacduff · 15/03/2022 09:11

I'm only an E and i've started wearing minimiser bras. A large bust does ruin some outfits and makes things look matronly. I got them in M&S and I don't think they're frumpy.

The 'athleisure' look isn't too bad if done well, and neither is the grunge look, but it sounds like she mixes the two

SnowWhiteLobelia · 15/03/2022 09:14

I was that 17 year old girl. It was an issue around being horrified at what my body was doing to me. A fear of development and puberty and htiting the adult realm of the world. Combined with a rejection of the overt focus on sexuality that was in the media at the time, and a rejection of my mother who was always disapproving of my looks and my weight and who placed too much attention on how i looked as part of a reflection on her in her own mind.

I'm 50 now and still cannot present myself properly because I do not want to feel like my worth is how I am viewed aesthetically.

LadyMacduff · 15/03/2022 09:16

It may also be that she is waiting for her next transition into work or college. I think at that age I would have been mortified walking into school with a very new look. I would be terrified that people thought I was trying too hard and would look or comment. It was easier just to be who I always had been and dress accordingly, not attract any attention.

Maybe the new clothes will come out of the cupboard when she moves to the next stage with a fresh group of people?

PatsArrow · 15/03/2022 09:17

Thanks for all the comments/experiences.

I just want her to feel happy about herself really, and she says she's not. Maybe I'm hoping for too much at 17.

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BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 15/03/2022 09:20

Mine (20 and at Uni) dresses similarly, manky old men’s fleeces she pays a fortune for at ‘vintage shops’. So do her mates, it’s the fashion, apparently Confused

dworky · 15/03/2022 09:20

Mind your own business, would be my advice.
What she chooses to wear is her decision alone.

PatsArrow · 15/03/2022 09:21

I hated my breast through teenage hood and adulthood really, although I learned to put on a confident 'mask'.

It wasn't until I was 45 I went for the op. My boobs were 36HH by then.

At 50, I'm still not confident in my appearance although my boobs are easier to deal with, Now I'm feeling guilty she's just mimicking me.

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drawingpad · 15/03/2022 09:21

Badly fitting joggers with 80's style jumpers mainly.

That's fashion these days.

I said I'd take her shopping on Sat for new bras and a pair of jeans.......

I understand the bra thing but please don't make her buy jeans if she doesn't want them. Just let her be. The issue here is her body image/confidence, not her clothes.

PatsArrow · 15/03/2022 09:22

SHE suggested a new pair of jeans.

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drawingpad · 15/03/2022 09:22

Sorry that wasn't at all clear from you saying you said you would take her for jeans.

PatsArrow · 15/03/2022 09:23

@dworky

Mind your own business, would be my advice. What she chooses to wear is her decision alone.
Well thanks for your understanding. I'm just trying to respond to the worries by daughter TELLS me. She's upset.

But It's always the mothers fault isn't it.

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 15/03/2022 09:24

dd and her friends do their shopping in charity shops, they love cord trousers and 80s style jumpers.

a bra sounds a good plan,
underwear,
hair cut

VeryMuchFlaggingMinty · 15/03/2022 09:24

Oh bless her.

I also have a 17yo in her first year at college and she lives in joggers/leggings and hoodies unless she's doing something work related.

She also, tbh, had the most godawful dress sense from 15-16, largely due to lack of confidence compounded by friendship issues and lockdown. Everything was shapeless, and in shades of grey, black and brown.

What has helped her is going to the gym. She does strength training/cross fit/boxing. She is and always will be 'mid-sized' (how TF a size 12 is considered that I've no idea but there you go) and is 5'7 with size 9 feet and her dad's Amazonian build. She's all about being fit and strong and her confidence has increased so much as a result, not just of the exercise but of having a lovely 'gym family' supporting her.

She tried a few and the one she goes to now, because of it's focus on strength tends to attracts predominantly girls of the same mindset, who aren't working out purely to be skinny, and lots of lads in their 20s and 30s who she's adopted as her gym bros Grin.

Clothing wise...Good underwear will really help, and apparently Abercrombie do the best jeans for girls with wider hips and smaller waists so DD is dragging me to London jeans shopping next month!

She's also having counselling to improve her body confidence as despite the work she's done on herself she still struggles with her body image. I think it's CBT based and seems to be helping a lot.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 15/03/2022 09:24

jeans sounds great too op,

thetombliboo · 15/03/2022 09:25

I wear M&S flexi fit non wired bras in a F cup.
The bra makes them look fantastic. As if wearing no bra (and is if I haven't had three children Grin)
Comfy, good support and they're a good shape in them. I was the same, I don't like underwired due to something weird going on with my rib cage the bras would just rub and sports bras were not doing me any justice.

I have been browsing at M&S and found this: https://www.marksandspencer.com/flexifit-non-wired-full-cup-bra-a-e/p/clp60439504?intid=mobileappppdpshare

StopStartStop · 15/03/2022 09:25

No further comments about her appearance.

Provide:

Healthy eating of delicious foods she enjoys.

Exercise.

Moisturisers, body oils, an expensive perfume of her choice. Good hair cut if she wants it. Whatever facial skin products she needs or wants. Make-up lessons (thinking 'minimal' here - a little, to accentuate).

A variety of beautiful lingerie in fabrics that feel good to the skin.

Jeans and a long cotton or linen shirt. Really comfortable and supportive trainers or walking shoes. A fabulous baggy sweater. 'Effortless' glamour.

Not frumpy at all.

Franklyfrost · 15/03/2022 09:26

You have the advantage of having been in a similar situation. Tell her you’ll support her if she has the surgery even if you’re not encouraging her to have it so young.

  1. She’ll have learnt from you that big breasts are a burden. Acknowledge this. Talk to her about how you felt, the way you were treated, things you wanted to wear but couldn’t. Research the other side of it too: a decent bra, body positivity, middle finger to the male gaze etc

  2. Tight clothes aren’t for everyone. Some people don’t like the way they feel, some people don’t like showing their body to others as it allows sexualisation and judgement, some people just don’t like the style.

AddictedToOlives · 15/03/2022 09:27

I think you sound like very supportive mum, she’s lucky to have you on her side
I was same as her at that age - and wore baggy tops to hide big boobs. Had my breast reduction at 25, it changed my life. Wanted to say do let her have it while young (wish I’d had mine sooner)

Hoppinggreen · 15/03/2022 09:28

@dworky

Mind your own business, would be my advice. What she chooses to wear is her decision alone.
Or OP could give her daughter the benefit of her experience when she has been ASKED for help by her daughter who has expressed how unhappy she is with her appearance
PatsArrow · 15/03/2022 09:28

Abercrombie for for jeans is a good tip thanks.

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PatsArrow · 15/03/2022 09:28

Thanks for bra tip too.

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Firstshoes · 15/03/2022 09:28

Yes the second hand old man jumpers were bought in a 'vintage' shop and cost a fortune. I'm sure we could get similar in the local charity shops! I do have to bite my lip sometimes but she dresses how she feels comfortable. She says kids her own age 'judge'. Who am I to tell her what to wear? I used to look a fright when I was that age in the 80s. I just smile and tell her she looks lovely. My dd also has very low self esteem but that seems fairly common amongst that age group nowadays unfortunately.
I am sorry your dd missed her prom. That is such a shame for those years that did .

BigButtons · 15/03/2022 09:29

I have three older teen daughters and they all dress like this.
1 wears make up 2 don’t. Clothes and make up aren’t what this is about.

BananaPlants · 15/03/2022 09:30

What about those really high waisted jeans that are fashionable at the moment? (And still wide on the leg) with a shorter hoody or jumper - can still be baggy, just will sit more nicely with the fit of the jeans and give her more shape, without the outfit being too figure hugging or different from her usual style

Sweetener12 · 15/03/2022 09:30

You sound very supportive, OP, keep it up!
Totally agree with everyone saying Bravissimo is great and proper bra fitting works wonders for sure.
For the makeup part, she can try Perfect 365 or Photodiva, these are makeup picture editors where she can try various makeup combinations in digital. No dissapointment if something goes wrong, more like a fun time and maybe she'll get some ideas of what she likes. It's great you don't push it on her and she can come to you for the advice if she needs but make double sure she knows that. Being a teenager is hard enough and you really need additional reassurance sometimes.

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